re: Poker & Playing live tonight, need help with 'live' reads
Originally Posted by bubonicplay
Sorry but please don't do this. People who do this slow down the game for everyone. Plus if you wait until it's your turn to act everyone will be watching you looking at your cards whereas if you just look at them when you get them other people won't be looking at you and since you say you're somewhat new to live poker I'm assuming they will be able to read you better than you them.
The only exception I will make is if you already know before looking at your cards what your action will be no matter what the hole cards ie if you already know in your head before looking at your cards that you will 3-bet 56s+/QQ+/AK, flat AT+/KQ/any pair up to JJ then sure wait if you want then you will act quick because you already know what you're going to do. But if you're the idiot who slowly peeks at one card then the other then thinks for a minute before folding A8o UTG+1 do everyone a favor and just ****ing look as you get them so you can think longer and not slow the game way down. This is especially true if it's like a home game rather than a high buy-in live event in a casino or something.
This is wrong. I never look at my whole cards until it's my turn to act. I look at my cards, then decide one of three things:
1. I'm not playing this hand. (Fold)
2. I might play this hand.
3. I'm definitely playing this hand.
In the event I may or may not play the hand, I memorize my hole cards while I look at them, put a card protector on them, then review the action in the hand from, starting from UTG all the way to me. I roughly add-up the total value of the pot, the chips behind (for my implied odds
), and the stacks of players yet to act. I then calculate whether or I'll call or raise, and how much.
The whole process takes less than fifteen seconds, and nobody has ever complained about it.
Also in the stakes I play at (300NL) and several hundred dollar tournaments, everybody does it. This is a ridiculous request. The only players who don't look at their hand before they make their decision are the weaker players, and ussually it puts a crosshair on their back because they aren't familiar with the trickier plays, like a check/raise bluff on the turn and the resteal preflop, let alone the steal preflop.
If you are the guy peaking from the button as the cards get to you, and you claim you actually need the time, I suggest you play a hundred thousand more hands then, because you sir, are an idiot.
As far as the sunglasses at the poker table, I recently saved a lot of money when I raised from position with AKs, I looked at my opponent as he looked at the flop. His eyes flared up for just half a second, as if he were surprised. He checked, I looked at the flop, AT7. I checked back. Turn comes a 3, He checked, I checked back. River a 3, He checked I checked back. I opened my AK and he slammed down his 77 for a fullhouse, as well as berated me for not betting any street.
No, to OP -
The player's eyes are a source of information. What do they look at? Your chips? Their chips? The board? In a case of the first two they're going to base their bet amount with a hand they believe to think they're ahead on. Glance at theboard then quickly look away? They're big.
As far as shaky hands, don't bet into this villain. He has a vice-grip on the hand. If my hand were immortal I'd jam on him knowing he's calling with a monster.