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I've played in enough hands and tables to form an opinion about this...and every time I jump in a game first chance...pay the big blind right away...I've gotten rags! When I click on "wait for big blind", I've always gotten some worth looking at the flop! And I'm talking 1000's of tables on FTP....so if you're just starting real money RING games...try waiting before jumping in! Just my observation for what it's worth....GL ALL!:creep: :creep: :creep:
 
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NEVER post BB out of turn. First sign of a fish. NEVER. And it has nothing to do with "getting good cards"
 
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NEVER post BB out of turn. First sign of a fish. NEVER. And it has nothing to do with "getting good cards"
I know now...took awhile to sink in...THANK YOU!:cool:
 
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But my cards did s*ck...everytime! NOW I WAIT!
 
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You always wait for the BB to post, never post out of turn. Not because you are going to get crappy cards, but because you will lose money over the long run. Also when you are going to leave a table, wait until you are UTG to leave. Just unclick the auto-post blinds box because you have already paid the blinds to see the remaining hands in that rotation.

You getting crappy cards everytime you post out of turn, and getting good cards when you wait, is just something that happened randomly. You have the same chance of getting AA if you posted out of turn or whether you waited for the BB :).
 
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NEVER post BB out of turn. First sign of a fish. NEVER. And it has nothing to do with "getting good cards"
Well, never say never. It makes sense to rarely post early when you first get to a table, but a lot of times if I do it is to make the others at the table think, "good, here's a fish that's posting early instead of waiting for the bb"

And yeah, it's random on getting good or bad cards when you post early. You just probably get bad cards most of the time when you post early. You probably also get bad cards most of the time when your just playing at a table.
 
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Well, never say never. It makes sense to rarely post early when you first get to a table, but a lot of times if I do it is to make the others at the table think, "good, here's a fish that's posting early instead of waiting for the bb"

And yeah, it's random on getting good or bad cards when you post early. You just probably get bad cards most of the time when you post early. You probably also get bad cards most of the time when your just playing at a table.
It definitely does not make sense to ever post out of turn
 
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It definitely does not make sense to ever post out of turn

I guess I'll believe this when everyone here posts the same answer. Untill then, I already know from experience of doing it that people will think you're a fish by posting early, and it will pay off at times. It's only done to give the table image of not knowing the correct play. If I trash 50 cents or something by posting early, only to get $3 to $4 because of that image, it's a good move in my eyes.
 
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And the times it doesn't work you lose 50cents and table image. Decent players will (maybe wrongly, maybe rightly) think you're a fish, other fish will not care and you start out 1BB down and looking like a tard. Even if you make $3 off this image once or twice, the other times you do this and lose the BB will count against it.
 
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I've been thinking about this whole paying the BB as soon as you join the table thing. I suppose if people insist on doing it, the time to do it is if you can be in late position - at least if there's pre-flop action in front of you you'll be able to act last post-flop. But even then I don't like it. I suppose sometimes your perceived fishiness will work, other times it won't. I prefer to just play things straight and not post when I don't have to.
 
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Well, never say never. It makes sense to rarely post early when you first get to a table, but a lot of times if I do it is to make the others at the table think, "good, here's a fish that's posting early instead of waiting for the bb"

And yeah, it's random on getting good or bad cards when you post early. You just probably get bad cards most of the time when you post early. You probably also get bad cards most of the time when your just playing at a table.

plz don't try to correct my post when you don't know what your talking about. thank you
 
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This brings up an interesting question: what if you're in late position, on the button, or on the blinds and a newcomer to the table posts out of turn, adding one more BB to the preflop pot. Does that increase the range of hands you'll raise with?

And if a newcomer posts out of turn, do you jump to the conclusion that he's a fish or wait for your HUD to get a read on him over the next two orbits?
 
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I open my range from LP and assume he's a fish
 
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I'm not here to argue with or correct anyone. I'm here to learn. If I quoted and commented about something, the quote was mearly so people would know what I'm talking about. Sorry if I offended anyone. I'm more looking for oppinions about this thread, and my answer. I'm probably wrong, but wanted to know if anyone else has heard of this angle.
 
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It's actually funny. When someone posts out of turn, I usually raise almost anything. I can actually remember a scenario where someone 3-bet me, and I 4- bet bluffed him just because I thought he thought I wanted the extra blind. It worked, but I started thinking how ridiculous it was for 1 blind...
 
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If u post out of turn ur either
A) a gambler
B) a player just playing for fun
C) a fish
 
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This brings up an interesting question: what if you're in late position, on the button, or on the blinds and a newcomer to the table posts out of turn, adding one more BB to the preflop pot. Does that increase the range of hands you'll raise with?

And if a newcomer posts out of turn, do you jump to the conclusion that he's a fish or wait for your HUD to get a read on him over the next two orbits?

For that hand I do nothing different. I do however note he did it, and keep an eye on him. If he doesn't understand that he is paying 2 BB's for that orbit, then he will not understand rake considerations either. He is likely YD&FC, and maybe even drunk and excitable. He is biting at the bit to get involved. This is important info at any table, any game, any stakes.
 
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I'm not here to argue with or correct anyone. I'm here to learn. If I quoted and commented about something, the quote was mearly so people would know what I'm talking about. Sorry if I offended anyone. I'm more looking for oppinions about this thread, and my answer. I'm probably wrong, but wanted to know if anyone else has heard of this angle.

We are hardened crim...er ah....professionals, and you will have to go a loooooooooooong way to insult any of us....;)
 
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I can't believe this thread hasn't been merged to the rigtard thread. Yes. posting before the blinds come to you is stupid. However, the original poster is saying that whether or not he posts early affects the cards he gets. He has over 300 posts here and he still thinks the sites are rigging his cards? Thinking that way is a lot worse than posting early imo.
 
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This thread will help people understand to not post BB before blinds. Shoul not be merged imo
 
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I guess I'll believe this when everyone here posts the same answer. Untill then, I already know from experience of doing it that people will think you're a fish by posting early, and it will pay off at times. It's only done to give the table image of not knowing the correct play. If I trash 50 cents or something by posting early, only to get $3 to $4 because of that image, it's a good move in my eyes.

I'm not here to argue with or correct anyone. I'm here to learn. If I quoted and commented about something, the quote was mearly so people would know what I'm talking about. Sorry if I offended anyone. I'm more looking for oppinions about this thread, and my answer. I'm probably wrong, but wanted to know if anyone else has heard of this angle.


I'll prove to you why posting early is one of the dumbest things you can do.

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This is my sample from 50nl. That's $26K+ lost to the blinds! Now why would you ever post a blind when you didn't have to? If you think it makes people think you're a fish so they'll pay you off lighter, you're wrong. Most probably won't notice and those that do will be the better players at the table who aren't going to be a source of profit anyway. All posting early does is cost you money. Wait for BB is your friend. Use it.
 
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plz don't try to correct my post when you don't know what your talking about. thank you

He is not correcting your post so taking offence is a little childish in my opinion. He is simply offering another side to the debate of whether you should post early. It is by discussing things properly that we truly learn what is best. Shutting him down like that is just bad manners.
 
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He is not correcting your post so taking offence is a little childish in my opinion. He is simply offering another side to the debate of whether you should post early. It is by discussing things properly that we truly learn what is best. Shutting him down like that is just bad manners.

i never took offence to it. if you read my other posts i was informative. and that's like 20 posts ago. why are newbies trying to build post count always going after me? :(
 
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I'll prove to you why posting early is one of the dumbest things you can do.

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This is my sample from 50nl. That's $26K+ lost to the blinds! Now why would you ever post a blind when you didn't have to? If you think it makes people think you're a fish so they'll pay you off lighter, you're wrong. Most probably won't notice and those that do will be the better players at the table who aren't going to be a source of profit anyway. All posting early does is cost you money. Wait for BB is your friend. Use it.

I know WVH will call me an idiot, but here goes...

Sorry, WVH, but your stats mean nothing without a comparison of the value of posting in the BB vs posting in the cutoff. Of course the blinds always lose money, but to everyone who says that you should never post early, please answer this: Suppose you could play at a table where you alone could post your blinds in the dealer and cutoff position while everyone else had to post their blinds as usual. Would you play at that table? Don't you think that having position in the blinds would make a big difference in your return?

Now check the numbers. If you post as usual at a full ring, you're paying 1.5 BB to see 9 hands. This is exactly the same price per hand if you post 1 BB in the cutoff to see 6 hands. So if you're paying the same price/hand, wouldn't you rather have that money on the table in the cutoff?

I don't believe any of the crap about when I post affecting my cards, and I would never post after the cutoff, but if it was practical for me to just post 1 BB from the cutoff each round and skip the blinds and the button, I suspect it might be worth it. Yes, you're missing out on the most profitable position, but you're also skipping the two least profitable positions. If anyone wants to refute this with some real stats, I'll be happy to reconsider, but in order to do that they'd need to have played a lot of hands where they posted in the cutoff, and if they're already doing that, then they probably don't disagree with me.
 
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i never took offence to it. if you read my other posts i was informative. and that's like 20 posts ago. why are newbies trying to build post count always going after me? :(
They always go after you? Do you troll much? :S
 
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