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I recently played a tournement and two players were left in a hand, player A thought player B had checked and turned over his cards, player B saw the cards and acted upon the info received, he pushed and player A folded. Player A went mad saying it was unsporting etc but ultimatley player A made the mistake. What is the situation if player A shows his hand early, I was told by someone that it should be mucked. I would really like an answer to this one as the argument will no doubt roll on in our club for ages
 
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If you turn your hand over early, basically you just gave your opponent free info. I have not ever seen a hand declared dead because of this because quite honestly you are only hurting yourself by doing it. In your scenario, player A should only be mad at himself....Does he expect player B to "pretend" he did not see the hand? I imagine we have all done it at one time or another and trust me once you do it, you will mega careful from then on.
 
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I play at Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun and, in both poker rooms, if you turn your cards over early, they are considered mucked. Consider that a player turns his cards over and you are beat. A player could deliberately flip his cards to influence the outcome of the hand.
Even if you accidently expose a card or cards, you will recieve a warning the first time, and then penalized one round the next time.

Lesson is ....pay attention to what is going on at your table, especially when you are in the hand.
 
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I play at Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun and, in both poker rooms, if you turn your cards over early, they are considered mucked. Consider that a player turns his cards over and you are beat. A player could deliberately flip his cards to influence the outcome of the hand.
Even if you accidently expose a card or cards, you will recieve a warning the first time, and then penalized one round the next time.

Lesson is ....pay attention to what is going on at your table, especially when you are in the hand.

Interesting.. I play at Hollywood Indiana, part of Penn National Gaming and I have seen it happen and play continues... hand was not mucked that was turned over...Im not sure if they are mistaken on this, or just interpret it differently.
 
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Interesting.. I play at Hollywood Indiana, part of Penn National Gaming and I have seen it happen and play continues... hand was not mucked that was turned over...Im not sure if they are mistaken on this, or just interpret it differently.
They emphasize this before the games even start. Along with the no phone at the table rule. I have never seen anyone do this, I have however seen someone get a warning for accidentally exposing a card.
 
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It's legal in only one instance. If there is no more action behind you.

If showing your hand can influence the other guys bet, then it's not legal and the hand is folded.

In other words. Guy on your left pushes and the table folds around to you. At this point nothing you can do can affect any further action (betting).


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Every card room has its own rules. What one place does wont be the same as another so its best to know before you start playing.
 
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Sounds like this is heads up river play. So Player A was being a tool by exposing his cards to get a read from Player B. Player A screwed himself and putting blame on someone else and has the balls to call someone else unsporting for being unsporting in the first place.
 
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Every card room has its own rules. What one place does wont be the same as another so its best to know before you start playing.

^ this. It changes all the time depending on where you're playing, and even whether it's a tournament or a cash game.

FWIW, auto-mucking the hand is a horrible way to handle this, and it actually encourages angle shooting by the other players in the hand. Robert's Rules (Section 3 - General Poker Rules, Irregularities, Rule 11) simply says that any card flashed by a player will play.
 
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I don't get the "unsporting" remark. Player A turned his cards, player B's push could be a bluff. It is possible player A showed on purpose because he hoped to limit the risk of B raising. In this instance I would say the resolution was fine, but I'm not opposed to considering the shown hand folded. Tell player A to pay attention!
 
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I don't get the "unsporting" remark. Player A turned his cards, player B's push could be a bluff. It is possible player A showed on purpose because he hoped to limit the risk of B raising. Which changes the action. In this instance I would say the resolution was fine, but I'm not opposed to considering the shown hand folded. Tell player A to pay attention!

FYP ^^

A person who reveals to affect the action is not playing by the rules. This is the perfect description as to why the Jamie Gold rule came to existence. You can't do anything which affects the action other than bet, look intimidating or wear funny sunglasses. :)

I have been in casinos where this is tolerated. But I can tell you that this would never be tolerated in the wsop or WPT.


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The only time i show my cards before the end.Is when i close the final action and it's a tough spot and i don't want the table to think i'm being a dick for tanking a long time,plus maybe just maybe i can get a read on the bettor.
 
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Sounds like this is heads up river play. So Player A was being a tool by exposing his cards to get a read from Player B. Player A screwed himself and putting blame on someone else and has the balls to call someone else unsporting for being unsporting in the first place.

I don't think it's that deliberate. To me it seemed like player A was second to act and thought B checked and just showed his cards instead of saying check. Player B had not checked yet so action was still on him. I'm sure he just made a mistake. He did act like a tool after the hand.
 
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A different take

The way I see this is if for instance, player A was the button and player B was the SB. In the eyes of player A he sees player B tapping the table (possibly thinking but looks like a check) player A checks in a way of showing his cards but not physically saying check.
What would happen in that situation then?
 
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at all in general idiocy what then, how can you open your hand before the time. You stepped and get angry only on yourself.
 
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