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Why is Holdem so popular and variants like:
Omaha - 4 hole cards to player
Double flop Holdem - 2 boards with whole or scooped pots
2-11 Poker - 4 hole cards with 2 card flop(flip)
Position poker - "winner's button" acts after button
Pineapple poker - 3 cards and discard 1
not been as popular? How would you improve Holdem
or is it the perfect game?
 
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The fact that no limit hold 'em is very easy to portray and explain on television is pretty much the reason it's become so popular compared to those other games
 
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The fact that no limit hold 'em is very easy to portray and explain on television is pretty much the reason it's become so popular compared to those other games
agreed...if you watch any poker on television, its always nlhe. As you said it's easiest to explain to someone who isn't familiar. Also nlhe is the most popular for the simple fact that it's NL. Most other games are pot or fixed limit. A lot more intense, stressfull situations in nlhe.
 
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Also nlhe is the most popular for the simple fact that it's NL.

This ^^^^

....and as others have said it's fairly simple to understand and televise, but probably the biggest thing as far as televising it is having community cards--makes it easier and more exciting to watch.

If I ran the world, NLHE would be played with no river and flushes wouldn't count. (but today may have influenced that. :p )
 
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I think its probably easiest to get the basics learned, the other games are just variants really. Plus most of what you see on tv in nlhe so i presume new players are drawn to that game.
 
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As has been mentioned above, it's mostly because it's easy to understand. All the other versions you've mentioned are just more complicated versions of NLHE and, take it from someone who deals to noobs all the time, the average new player has a hard enough time getting their head around the basic rules, let alone all the additional stuff that those other games bring. Even PLO can be a nightmare because people are forever getting confused over exactly how much they're allowed to bet (not an issue online, obv).

And once you've learned something, people tend to stick with what they know.

Plus there's also the issue of action - aside from PLO I don't think there are any online sites that offer any of the games you've mentioned above and if they do, the certainly don't run in any great volume. At my local casino they'll occasionally get one PLO table running on a busy Friday/Saturday night, compared to 40+ NLHE tables. If there's no action to be had in those side games, then nobody will play them.
 
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limit pre flop and nl post flop would be better
 
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limit pre flop and nl post flop would be better
^^^^^Winner

Interesting suggestion. Limit Holdem is what it is, and the
preflop betting never bothered me, but the inability to deny
odds to someome I thought was drawing from flop onward
drove me towards NL.
 
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PS.net big game on tv was like that.
 
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PS.net big game on tv was like that.
I could be wrong but I think it was POT limit before the flop.
Reminds me of when that one player folded Aces before the flop.

So far I feel I have been learning more about preflop play compared with postflop play and am more confident with this part of my game. I like that it is NO limit before the flop. I don't understand why it would make the game better if it was limit before the flop and NO limit after. Can someone explain this to me please?
 
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I could be wrong but I think it was POT limit before the flop.
Reminds me of when that one player folded Aces before the flop.

So far I feel I have been learning more about preflop play compared with postflop play and am more confident with this part of my game. I like that it is NO limit before the flop. I don't understand why it would make the game better if it was limit before the flop and NO limit after. Can someone explain this to me please?

your right..wasnt aware we were talking about FL.

To say it would make the game better is just an opinion of theirs. All it would do is get more hands to see a flop really.
 
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Anyone can shove allin preflop. I deal at the Horseshoe and I see it over and over again how many players get CRUSHED post flop because they have NO CLUE how to play post flop poker lol..These are the ppl with targets on their forehead :p I do like the idea of PL pre and NL post tho..sounds interesting.
 
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pl preflop still allows for 2 players to drive everyone else out of the pot...and 2 man collusion .

fixed would bring in any player with implied odds and any 2 cards ....not to mention more bluffing.

or.....fixed pf.. .pl after flop... and nl last 2 or maybe just the final bet?

oh...and it would solve shortstack preflop shove play.
 
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pl preflop still allows for 2 players to drive everyone else out of the pot...and 2 man collusion .

fixed would bring in any player with implied odds and any 2 cards ....not to mention more bluffing.

or.....fixed pf.. .pl after flop... and nl last 2 or maybe just the final bet?

oh...and it would solve shortstack preflop shove play.
^^^^ What he said. I think it would meld the best
elements of both games.
Like MadMaddie said - maybe not an improvement but interesting.
Presumably you could set up a private PL or NL game
with a ladies/gentlemans agreement to bet fixed preflop, etc.
 
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I like the pineapple game. Really helps to have more action. But the worst hands are trips preflop. Only 1 out left if u fall behind
 
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Pot Limit Hold Em seems to be a much better game and a happy medium between limit and NL, but few people want to play it. Just the opportunity for some novice to exclaim' "all-in" seems to keep drawing in new players to the game, and the fact that you can win a huge pot with any 2 cards if luck is temporarily on your side.
 
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I don't find any thing besides NL appealing. It think it makes it more exciting when anyone can bet anything... skys the limit! lol
 
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I like the pineapple game. Really helps to have more action. But the worst hands are trips preflop. Only 1 out left if u fall behind

Pineapple is such a fun game! We play dealers choice at a $1/2 home game. I play it every time lol its so exciting.
 
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your right..wasnt aware we were talking about FL.

To say it would make the game better is just an opinion of theirs. All it would do is get more hands to see a flop really.

What's not talked about is why they structured the Big Game like that. It wasn't necessarily because it made the game better, but because of the anomaly that was the Loose Cannon.

They had some very specific problems in that game that other games simply don't have (ie: there was a 150-hand limit on the length of the game and the loose cannon was incentivised to push every hand if he/she got below their starting stack as hand 150 approached, since they lost all their money if they didn't turn a profit).
 
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