Online poker is just so much more dangerous.

Its just so much easier to go on a massive tilt online and if you are multi tabling then it can get so much worse. You get a bad beat and suddenly you are facing the very next hand. An all in just a "click" away. I busted my online account due to massive tilt and then I gave live poker a try.

Don't get me wrong I don't like the fact that I don't have constant information on how many chips everyone has, how much is the pot size or heck how many chips I have. And of course live poker is slower and more expensive. But in my opinion live poker gives better players a significantly higher edge. Its easier to remember faces than online nicknames(I know there are trackers but I don't play high enough stakes yet to justify the cost). You get enough time to go through everything in a big hand. When facing a big raise you don't just have to press a button you have to actually put the chips in the pot. I know one can just say call and it will be binding but there is no urgency to do that when playing live.

But the biggest thing I think is when you make mistakes. When I make mistakes is when I can tilt but in live poker you just get enough time to talk to yourself and get a hold of yourself before you end up doing something silly.

I know there are people who command very strong control over the mouse button but its not easy.

IMO, since different people have different personalities, some are more suited to online while live is a better fit for others. I suspect which is better for a particular person can also change depending on one's mood at any given time.

I can see that online vs live would be different for players. You just have to decide which will fit your style better. You make some good points pro and con.

truth that if online poker is very dangerous, first by the players, "fish", second from the players, "bingo" and third in the amount of "babeats" there

I once grinded 16 hours at our local casino, earning $540 at the end of the night on the $1/2 No Limit table. It worked out to be $40/hr which was okay with me. My skill level at live poker then was super tight and familiarity of the regulars helped. By nature, I am a quiet guy 'til you get to know me. And by not talking, I didn't reveal anything I didn't want to. Sure the talk away from the game was good, like visitors from other countries. Chit chat.
Anyway, live poker puts a human face on it. Online, you don't have to talk to anyone but the chat box is nice. Chit chat or rant... people utilize that too.
I tilt more online play than live... at a push of a button. And whether its mood or wifi crash, online explosives are private whereas live tables its a show. So basically, I am saying, that for me, I learnt the patience to sit and grind and now I have to learn to deal with 'frustrations'... things that make me go tilt.

this is part of poker, dealing with badbeats

Thinker_145 said:

Its just so much easier to go on a massive tilt online and if you are multi tabling then it can get so much worse. You get a bad beat and suddenly you are facing the very next hand. An all in just a "click" away. I busted my online account due to massive tilt and then I gave live poker a try.

Don't get me wrong I don't like the fact that I don't have constant information on how many chips everyone has, how much is the pot size or heck how many chips I have. And of course live poker is slower and more expensive. But in my opinion live poker gives better players a significantly higher edge. Its easier to remember faces than online nicknames(I know there are trackers but I don't play high enough stakes yet to justify the cost). You get enough time to go through everything in a big hand. When facing a big raise you don't just have to press a button you have to actually put the chips in the pot. I know one can just say call and it will be binding but there is no urgency to do that when playing live.

But the biggest thing I think is when you make mistakes. When I make mistakes is when I can tilt but in live poker you just get enough time to talk to yourself and get a hold of yourself before you end up doing something silly.

I know there are people who command very strong control over the mouse button but its not easy.

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i´ve been through of this that you mentioned before, you are playing four tournaments at the same time, then you tilt because two or three times in one minute you are badbeated or the river went against you, so let´s say you open with AK and the flop goes K-T-3, and the only opponent checks, you bet 1/3 your opponent pays. You expect him to have some project so you see the turn and try to fold your opponent betting the 3/4, your opponent pushes, what do you do? you pay, your opponent show a pockt 33 (you don´ttime to recover, playing 4 windows) now you receive a pocket JJ, the same guy bets you 4bet he pays, flop 2-3-9, you feel you have the hand, so you push, you want to recover the chips from this lucky fish who won you with a set of 3, now is your opportunity, he pays, you panick, cards open, he shows A-4, you are ahead, turns gives you a set (J), you are allin, the vilain too, you are counting your chips, you doubled, you are jumping, saying things to your rival, and then th river goes 5, you are expecting to receive the chips, but then you realize he has a straight, you tilt, you start sreaming, yelling, crying, beating the table, but you still have three windows open but you think you are in a bad streak, you don´t deserve playing, you wait for the first pair or ace and that´s it, you put all your chips in the center, now you are busted, not from one but for all your windows

if it happens to you, you have to learn to control yourself, otherwise you can not play poker, you have to accept the things you can not control

Thinker_145 said:

Its just so much easier to go on a massive tilt online and if you are multi tabling then it can get so much worse. You get a bad beat and suddenly you are facing the very next hand. An all in just a "click" away. I busted my online account due to massive tilt and then I gave live poker a try.

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I've thought (and done) the same. Interesting that you mentioned talking to yourself in a live game, or talking yourself through tilt. I'll do that sometimes when I'm playing a tourney online and getting close to the FT. I also try to get out of the couch-potato stance and sit up straight to be more alert. Whatever it takes to play better.

I agree that a good player has more of an edge in live $1\$2 than the online equivalent, but I think in general the edge may be due to more fish in the live games, and\or being willing to take your time.

Points taken though. It takes a lot of self-awareness, self-control, and good bankroll management to avoid busting your roll online. I'm not there yet myself, just managing to do better than I have in the past (busted on Stars and Juicy).

as you say it is more dangerous playing online poker rather than live, so it would be better for you to combine both poker styles ( yes they are different). and if you are in a bad streak online try to quit playing or at least reduce the steaks your playing because tilt can and will make you lose your entire bankroll.

Thinker_145 said:

Its just so much easier to go on a massive tilt online and if you are multi tabling then it can get so much worse. You get a bad beat and suddenly you are facing the very next hand. An all in just a "click" away. I busted my online account due to massive tilt and then I gave live poker a try.

Don't get me wrong I don't like the fact that I don't have constant information on how many chips everyone has, how much is the pot size or heck how many chips I have. And of course live poker is slower and more expensive. But in my opinion live poker gives better players a significantly higher edge. Its easier to remember faces than online nicknames(I know there are trackers but I don't play high enough stakes yet to justify the cost). You get enough time to go through everything in a big hand. When facing a big raise you don't just have to press a button you have to actually put the chips in the pot. I know one can just say call and it will be binding but there is no urgency to do that when playing live.

But the biggest thing I think is when you make mistakes. When I make mistakes is when I can tilt but in live poker you just get enough time to talk to yourself and get a hold of yourself before you end up doing something silly.

I know there are people who command very strong control over the mouse button but its not easy.

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it sounds like you have a great grasp on your type of play and also looks like you have been through the ups and downs. my only suggestions would be to find a way to counter-act how you go on tilt online.. my way is looking away from the computer screen for a second or getting up and grabbing a cold soda or whatever you like.. a piece of candy can surprisingly change how i am looking at things long enough for me to not go on tilt and focus towards the future.

lol I hear ya on the massive tilt swings online. Sometimes I cant help myself and keep re entering tourneys and end up losing my whole roll.

I really don't believe that online poker is, inherently, more dangerous than live poker.

The argument that it is just too easy to tilt away one's bankroll when you are simply clicking on a mouse is one that is often made by opponents of the legalization of online poker such as Sheldon Adelson. What the opponents fail to mention, however, is that live casinos happily offer free alcoholic beverages to loosen up their patrons, and that it is difficult to find a live poker game with a sub $100 buy-in. IMO, it is far easier to lose a substantial sum of money playing live. Online, it is easier to table select and there is a far greater range of stakes to choose from. If one is prone to tilt, there are many freerolls and micro-stakes games available online; this isn't something that you will find in the live arena.

In the final analysis, it is really up to the player to exercise self-control. There are many players who drop tens of thousands of dollars in a single session at a live casino and I can assure you that you won't find anyone on the casino staff urging them to quit.

It's way more tilting to lose a hand then optimal strategy is literally to fold for the next half hour.

Most definitely

between players working together and software that is out there, it is too dangerous for anyone to try and make a living at it.

I get in a stage of routine and that's why online poker is so dangerous for me. I loose and play way too long after I have lost in rebuy tournements for example.

chipstacker said:

between players working together and software that is out there, it is too dangerous for anyone to try and make a living at it.

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Because there's no softplaying at all in live games...

Or cheating in home games...

Okey I do understand why you think online poker is not that safe or even dangerous. First of all if you don't know online there are of course more bad beats than in live poker, that's because of the more hands that are being played for much less time than in live poker. You knowing that should recover quicker that if you get bad beat at your favourite casino at your town. Something more when you are playing online you shouldn't play at more than 1 max2 tables if you want to win some money, it is pretty obvious why. Online game gives you a lot of advantages you just have to find them and learn how to use them, the best advantage is that you don't give tells to your opponents. It is also obvious that if you get more bad beats then you are just better player than your foes and with avoiding flips and all in raises before river comes you can make a lot of profit from the online site you are playing at! So just be more reasonable and don't be on tilt and you will not find online poker that dangerous, you are going to find it even easy money and a lot of fun. ))