This is a discussion on Number of outs puzzle..... within the online poker forums, in the General Poker section; Start with a somewhat easy one. Correct answer will be number of outs to win and tie! your hand opponent's hand Ah2h Ad8d board AcKc7s4h good luck 


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Maybe I didn't read it right. Someone here says I have aproblem understanding what I read so bear with me. In the 1st problem there are no straight or flush possibilities, the only thing that will save your A,2 is a 2 on the river. 3 outs. Any other card will result in a win for your opponent due to his higher kicker. 44 remaining cards  3 = 41 outs.
The 2nd problem is more interesting because of the extra overcard to your opponents 8 kicker. Now, any river card >= to 9 will result in a split pot. That's 18 cards. Again, 3 outs for you to win, and the rest are outs for your opponent. 23 outs for him. 
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Ignoring the impossibility of knowing what my opponent has, this hand presents 5 potential winning hands greater than my current top pair of Aces, but three hands are very dangerous, one is marginal, and one is strong. 2 pairs Aces & K's = 3 outs 2 pairs Aces & 7's = 3 outs 2 pairs Aces & 4's = 3 outs 2 pairs Aces & 2's = 3 outs Set of Aces = 2 outs The only hands I'd really shoot for here would be the set or the hidden deuce, so of the 14 handmaking outs, I would really only base my bet or check on 5 outs, which put my odds of making a decent hand on the river at 10to1. Anything I bet here would have to pay me ten times the wager (if I won the pot) to justify placing it. Of course, all of this is exclusive from the consideration that I may ultimately win the pot with top pair. 
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Typically what is meant by outs is the number of remaining cards that will result in a probable win. This number is used to determine the viability of your hole cards for whatever is left of the hand. Since you have no way of knowing what your opponent has under these conditions, hitting and out is not a guarantee of winning the hand. I ignored this accepted definition of the word for what I think the actual intent of the puzzle was, namely, determining the number of cards left in the deck on an allin after the turn, that will result in wins, losses or split pots. Was that the puzzle XD?
'Jammer. I think 5 outs with 46 unseen cards = 5/46 rnd down to 5/45 = 1/9 = 8:1 against. 
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errr Simply the number cards left in the deck to either win the hand or tie it! LOL No complicated odds calculations involved... although I wasthinkg about taking that next step in a puzzle..... The second one just isn't as simplle as the first!
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re: Poker & Number of outs puzzle.....
It seems like we're having a discussion of practical application vs. parlor tricks. I define "outs", as I stated in my earlier post, as the number of outstanding cards which will produce my best possible hand. I believe that is the most widely accepted definition from what reading I've done on the subject. "25 outs" is the correct "pure answer". It's also about 11 more outs than I'm going to process or pay any attention to when holding the given hand Ah 2h with Ac Kc 7s 4h on the board during live play with a pot at stake.
So, within that context, I stand by my answer. 12 outs to better my hand, 2 outs for my best possible hand, 14 meaningful outs total. The other 11 outs for the split are just food for discussion. (And I was using the "shotgun" method of quickly computing the odds on drawing the best 5 outs. 5 river outs multiplied by 2 = 10% chance of making my hand. For the odds on the turn, multiply by 4. The link below has a ton of such useful information, explained in layman's terms.) http://www.texasholdempokerstats.com 