Not Letting Money Affect Your Game

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Yo! I gotta think a huge part of being one of the best poker players is not letting money effect your play, Personally I think I play much better when I am not letting the money affect me probably cause then I won't tilt, making the money seem like play money and focusing on crushing souls is they key isn't it???
Phil Ivey is the best player out there and he doesn't seem to worry too much about money which is why he is the best! :) Where would you rank this aspect of poker? and do you think you can be one of the best without it?
 
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Focusing on the money=results orientated=bad.
 
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I think this is a very important part of a players game. When worrying about the money on the table u can't focus on ur game! U may not make a call when a large bet is made because u don't want to risk loosing that much money!
 
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Focusing on the money=results orientated=bad.

obviously making money doesn't hurt you, but losing it or having your bankroll hurt probably leads to most people playing worse or even going to tilt, what do you think you can do to prevent this?
 
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obviously making money doesn't hurt you, but losing it or having your bankroll hurt probably leads to most people playing worse or even going to tilt, what do you think you can do to prevent this?

I look at it like an investment in the stock market. There is risk to gain or lose after stock trading is done each day, similar to a poker game. When I play at a table, I'm looking to boost my investment by making the best moves and winning big pots while limiting my losses each hand.
 
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I look at it like an investment in the stock market. There is risk to gain or lose after stock trading is done each day, similar to a poker game. When I play at a table, I'm looking to boost my investment by making the best moves and winning big pots while limiting my losses each hand.

yeah that's true but poker is a bit different in a way because its you in charge of individual decisions, stock market you are kind of doing educated research and risk and thats about it, but poker there is the aspect of growing bankrolls and your reactions to it, say you build your roll up to 1000k it continues to be a challenge of how to continue to build it, i just don't think its a good comparison
 
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I think that not worrying about the money is great for sure, that's why they preach good bankroll management. Knowing your bankroll can take a downswing should make the money a non issue, hence then your mind should be clear to play your best game......scorp
 
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I think that not worrying about the money is great for sure, that's why they preach good bankroll management. Knowing your bankroll can take a downswing should make the money a non issue, hence then your mind should be clear to play your best game......scorp

great point there, i think honestly segregating my bankroll to different currencies is helpful, even putting some of ftp or something, but your point in having good bankroll management and focusing on your bankroll is a different thing completely
 
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obviously making money doesn't hurt you, but losing it or having your bankroll hurt probably leads to most people playing worse or even going to tilt, what do you think you can do to prevent this?




People play bad all the time & get lucky. You don't practice good BRM & can't, or don't want to recognize the difference between luck & solid play, winning a bit can & does cost people their roll.
 
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Making sure your bankroll is adequate for the stakes you are playing will allow you to play each hand and not consider how much money you have on the the table. You have to play each hand independently and without allowing how much money you have alter your decisions. The only place chip stack matters is in tournament play.
 
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Yo! I gotta think a huge part of being one of the best poker players is not letting money effect your play, Personally I think I play much better when I am not letting the money affect me probably cause then I won't tilt, making the money seem like play money and focusing on crushing souls is they key isn't it???
Phil Ivey is the best player out there and he doesn't seem to worry too much about money which is why he is the best! :) Where would you rank this aspect of poker? and do you think you can be one of the best without it?
Pretty sure this isn't why Phil Ivey is considered (by many) to be the best poker player. Any decent player is not thinking about 'the money' while playing.
Also pretty sure the focus isn't on bein' fearless (not afraid of the money) so they can crush souls. I've got a feeling it's more about adjusting to opponents & taking optimal lines, etc. etc. I'm just guessing though.
 
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yeah that's true but poker is a bit different in a way because its you in charge of individual decisions, stock market you are kind of doing educated research and risk and thats about it, but poker there is the aspect of growing bankrolls and your reactions to it, say you build your roll up to 1000k it continues to be a challenge of how to continue to build it, i just don't think its a good comparison
Actually it's a decent comparison (imo). You're making educated decisions while investing $'s.
"Growing bankrolls and your reaction to it" < what do you mean? Like if you win.. then run risk of bein' a degen. or something? This comment makes no sense. |Why would that be different than if someone just made a crapload of $'s in the stock market?
When you say 1000k... is this the same as 1 million?
If a player built their roll up to 1000k (< whatever that is)... why would it be a challenge to continue to build it up if they'd already done so up to that point? (again.. this makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever).
 
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Pretty sure this isn't why Phil Ivey is considered (by many) to be the best poker player. Any decent player is not thinking about 'the money' while playing.
Also pretty sure the focus isn't on bein' fearless (not afraid of the money) so they can crush souls. I've got a feeling it's more about adjusting to opponents & taking optimal lines, etc. etc. I'm just guessing though.

yeah im pretty sure it is why because this guy is never afraid to lay down any money and soul crush people, this is what makes him great, few people can play without the consent of money like he does...

he even says in the video that if he needs to bluff 300 or 400k he just doesn't care, so obviously you have no idea what you are talking about, and no decent players do not just go around bluffing for 300 or 400k etc. only great ones do like ivey, you sir are a fool if you really think this, stay in the micros and be fearless there, im pretty sure you have nowhere near the fearlessness of ivey or players like tom dwan, blom, sam farha, ilari shamies, lars luzak, etc. i could name so much more, you lack the higher level of poker thinking i can see :D
 
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Actually it's a decent comparison (imo). You're making educated decisions while investing $'s.
"Growing bankrolls and your reaction to it" < what do you mean? Like if you win.. then run risk of bein' a degen. or something? This comment makes no sense. |Why would that be different than if someone just made a crapload of $'s in the stock market?
When you say 1000k... is this the same as 1 million?
If a player built their roll up to 1000k (< whatever that is)... why would it be a challenge to continue to build it up if they'd already done so up to that point? (again.. this makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever).

again i disagree with you, those are two different forms of investments, and should properly be segregated, what i mean about poker is that it has different elements and that the levels of it become different and more difficult as you move up, in stocks the more money you have combined with the best investments you make will make you the most money, in poker this is also true except for the fact that you are making tons upon tons of individual decisions for the long term and in investments you make long term single decisions that can lead up to success...so again you are wrong
 
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yeah im pretty sure it is why because this guy is never afraid to lay down any money and soul crush people, this is what makes him great, few people can play without the consent of money like he does...

he even says in the video that if he needs to bluff 300 or 400k he just doesn't care, so obviously you have no idea what you are talking about, and no decent players do not just go around bluffing for 300 or 400k etc. only great ones do like ivey, you sir are a fool if you really think this, stay in the micros and be fearless there, im pretty sure you have nowhere near the fearlessness of ivey or players like tom dwan, blom, sam farha, ilari shamies, lars luzak, etc. i could name so much more, you lack the higher level of poker thinking i can see :D

Bro seriously? Don't go around being rude to people like PO... Hell... Don't be rude to anyone here... There are a lot of factors that contribute to iveys success... Not just his fearlessness.
 
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Bro seriously? Don't go around being rude to people like PO... Hell... Don't be rude to anyone here... There are a lot of factors that contribute to iveys success... Not just his fearlessness.

im not a nice guy man, but this guy just downplays one of the most important things in poker which is a joke
 
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im not a nice guy man, but this guy just downplays one of the most important things in poker which is a joke
If you can't get your point across without being nasty then maybe another forum is for you.
 
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yeah im pretty sure it is /quote]
As long as you're sure. That's what matters.

if you read over what I wrote more closely.... I never once mentioned myself as being a good player. Instead I wrote 'any decent player' which you seemed to have missed for some reason?

My answer is also based upon what other pros say about Phil Ivey... why they think he's as good as he is.
I'd be extremely surprised if any 'pro' is actually playing 'scared money' while on the tables (at least while playing tables they are normally playing on). Pretty sure it's a non-issue.

Please enlighten me about this 'higher level of poker thinking'? My balls are bigger than your's? < is that it? I'm confused :(
 
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yeah im pretty sure it is /quote]
As long as you're sure. That's what matters.

if you read over what I wrote more closely.... I never once mentioned myself as being a good player. Instead I wrote 'any decent player' which you seemed to have missed for some reason?

My answer is also based upon what other pros say about Phil Ivey... why they think he's as good as he is.
I'd be extremely surprised if any 'pro' is actually playing 'scared money' while on the tables (at least while playing tables they are normally playing on). Pretty sure it's a non-issue.

Please enlighten me about this 'higher level of poker thinking'? My balls are bigger than your's? < is that it? I'm confused :(

i don't think you understand the concept, its more so a mentality then a thinking, never mind if you don't have it you don't have it that's all
 
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Gosh. I guess I just don't have it then :(
 
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Lol at this guy thinking he's big shit and walking around like he knows everything... He then proceeds to insult PO and say he just doesn't get a concept that u aren't even right on... In b4 more members show up and put u in your proper place... U are entitled to disagree with people but to say that he's stupid and your right and that his thinking level is below yours is just crazy... IMO that isn't even y Ivey is successful. It's a small fraction of y he is successful. Stop insulting members or ur not gonna be around for long
 
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Lol at this guy thinking he's big shit and walking around like he knows everything... He then proceeds to insult PO and say he just doesn't get a concept that u aren't even right on... In b4 more members show up and put u in your proper place... U are entitled to disagree with people but to say that he's stupid and your right and that his thinking level is below yours is just crazy... IMO that isn't even y Ivey is successful. It's a small fraction of y he is successful. Stop insulting members or ur not gonna be around for long

honestly on a personal level one of my biggest problems are thinking i am better than everyone else, i do agree that adjusting is more important than probably just being able to be a degen without fear, but its all opinion isn't it? otherwise prove it and explain
 
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honestly on a personal level one of my biggest problems are thinking i am better than everyone else, i do agree that adjusting is more important than probably just being able to be a degen without fear, but its all opinion isn't it? otherwise prove it and explain

Yup... It is all opinion... Which is y I said IMO in my post...
 
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