No Permit at Noble

I just posted a reply on the cheaters thread in response to some concerns we have about protection and cheating i.e "bad beats" at a few of the sites. My reply was just this. If the poker site doen't bother to apply for sanctioning by The Kahnawake Gaming Commission, DON'T PLAY THERE! Well, after making that statment I decided to check out the KGC's page to see who actually was licenced. I know Full Tilt is because I play there. Most of the popular sites are listed. However, Noble Poker was conspicuous in it's absence. That's not to say there's a problem but with so many places to play, why risk it?

i like the site (noble), which one do you recommend?

beware?

So, then are you recommending to steer clear of Noble until they're registered?

Rails said:

So, then are you recommending to steer clear of Noble until they're registered?

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No, just to be cautious. Here's a copy of my inquiry to Noble Poker Support and there response.
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Are you licensed by The Kahnawake Gaming Commission? I don't see your hyperlink and you don't appear on their list of permit holders.

Dear Four Dogs, (Substituted for my name)

Thank you for choosing Noble Poker, this is Terry from the support team.
We are in receipt of your most recent email, and we are fully licensed by the government of Antigua & Barbuda and our software has been checked by one of the worlds most respectable auditing firms.
Have a wonderful day Roy!!!!

With any more questions, please do not hesitate to contact the Noble Poker Support Team 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.


Best Regards,

Terry-Anne
Noble Poker
"A Nobler Man, a Braver Warrior"
Want to be part of the high-paced action? Check out our exciting tournament schedule at http://www.noblepoker.com/schedules.html

No doubt. But if you don't think it's worth the time to get licensed by the most respected on-line gaming commission in the U.S., it's just not worth taking any chances. I'll keep checking back though. It is a beautiful site.
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Now, as long as your all comfortable with the regulations and oversights in Antigua & Barbuda then go ahead and give them your credit card number.

I dont understand

why is antigua worse than gibraltar, malta or granada ...

s3ver said:

I dont understand

why is antigua worse than gibraltar, malta or granada ...

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No reason. You can play there too.

butcher33 said:

i like the site (noble), which one do you recommend?

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There are hundreds of good ones. All unregulated. The KGC has no authority. It's only power is it's reputation. If there's no hyperlink on their web page then it is not registered.

Well that's interesting, to me, all it is, is like an online shop displaying the visa icon on their site, when they VISA. If it has no power, then it's kind of useless. I'm sure Noble is up to stratch and could get accepted by them very easily, they are fairly new and probably haven't got round to it yet. I'm very confident in the security on Noble Poker. I trust them 100% or I wouldn't be promoting them as much I do. It's no reason to steer clear, it's a great site.

Nick said:

Well that's interesting, to me, all it is, is like an online shop displaying the VISA icon on their site, when they VISA. If it has no power, then it's kind of useless. I'm sure Noble is up to stratch and could get accepted by them very easily, they are fairly new and probably haven't got round to it yet. I'm very confident in the security on Noble Poker. I trust them 100% or I wouldn't be promoting them as much I do. It's no reason to steer clear, it's a great site.

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I'm sure it is all that. As I said, it is a beautiful site and I enjoyed playing there the other day. That's not the point. But KGC is not an online shop and has no profit motive. If it were, than Pacific, Empire, poker stars, Full Tilt or any of the other hundreds of poker rooms out there wouldn't bother paying the $10,000 annual fee to renew there licences. When your giving out your credit card number you want to be certain that security is up to snuff and up to date. That can be expensive. To be licensed with KGC applicants must subject themselves to periodic review and auditing. When a complaint is registered KGC investigates. If irregularities are found, their license can be revoked. Not being able to display that certification is enough to keep most applicants honest and vigilant to cheating and or security breaches. If you like playing there so much you should exert some pressure from within to get KGC certification. There should be no reason for Noble not to want it.

Very interesting, I'm not sure why they haven't got a license. $10,000 is quite a lot of money, especially to these new sites, I wonder if that's the reason.

Nick said:

Very interesting, I'm not sure why they haven't got a license. $10,000 is quite a lot of money, especially to these new sites, I wonder if that's the reason.

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I own a very small construction company. I have to pay almost that much every year for insurance. It's a business expense. Keeping your security measures updated? Now that's expensive.

Very interesting stuff, I never about any licensing authority, but I still like Noble and haven`t had any problems so far.

Noble may be a fairly new, small site, but I bet $10K isn't all that much to them overall. Just do some ball park guesstimating. Look at the cash tables in action, check out the rake, and factor in the tourney entry fees. The $$$ add up quickly for these sites. Sure there are other operating expenses. And I don't claim to know anything about KGC licensing, but if it is as good to have as Four Dogs is saying, I'm sure Noble has the bucks to fork over for it.

Nick may be right, maybe they just haven't gotten there yet. Couldn't hurt for some regulars to send some messages to them to urge them on their way.

The bigger question is if the KGC even has the legal right in canada to license online gaming! I have taken a big intrest in the subject the past few months and there is one site in particular that has extarodinary information on the subject, I will respect the webmasters wishes and not link to it because it has a forum. Point is do you know anybody that has had a complaint filed with KGC and had any action taken on that complaint, furthermore how do we know that they keep the sites honest? I recently recommended on a post that one of our peers take his issue, with a poker site, to the KGC whom licenses the site he had trouble with. The reply he posted, on here, from the poker site did not sound at all like that site was worried about the gaming commision. OK my point is, right now there is an alphabet soup of gaming commisions supposedly regulating online gaming, I have seen no evidence that would have me put my faith in any one commision more than the other. The only reason people have to believe these sites are not doing anything illegitimate is the reasoning that it just makes bad buisness sense for them to rig the games, in reality there is nothing to keep ANY SITE from rigging the games if they so choose. The only way online gaming will ever have true legitimacy is if a stable "developed" country or state within that country decides to license the sites. New Jersey or Las Vegas gaming would be a dream come true in my mind! Just my 2 cents anyway. Always keep your mind open. BTW it is only fair I put the KGC's link here so you can read their information for yourselves it is true they are the most popular gaming commision http://www.kahnawake.com/gamingcommission Sorry I keep forgetting to post this the Kahnawake indian reserve has no "brick and mortor" casinos the people of the reserve keep voting no to allow them.

These gaming commisions have no ACTUAL power....but neither does the better business beureau and it seems to be pretty powerful:hmmmm2:

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The bigger question is if the KGC even has the legal right in Canada to license online gaming! I have taken a big intrest in the subject the past few months and there is one site in particular that has extarodinary information on the subject, I will respect the webmasters wishes and not link to it because it has a forum. Point is do you know anybody that has had a complaint filed with KGC and had any action taken on that complaint, furthermore how do we know that they keep the sites honest? I recently recommended on a post that one of our peers take his issue, with a poker site, to the KGC whom licenses the site he had trouble with. The reply he posted, on here, from the poker site did not sound at all like that site was worried about the gaming commision. OK my point is, right now there is an alphabet soup of gaming commisions supposedly regulating online gaming, I have seen no evidence that would have me put my faith in any one commision more than the other. The only reason people have to believe these sites are not doing anything illegitimate is the reasoning that it just makes bad buisness sense for them to rig the games, in reality there is nothing to keep ANY SITE from rigging the games if they so choose. The only way online gaming will ever have true legitimacy is if a stable "developed" country or state within that country decides to license the sites. New Jersey or Las Vegas gaming would be a dream come true in my mind! Just my 2 cents anyway. Always keep your mind open. BTW it is only fair I put the KGC's link here so you can read their information for yourselves it is true they are the most popular gaming commision http://www.kahnawake.com/gamingcommission Sorry I keep forgetting to post this the Kahnawake indian reserve has no "brick and mortor" casinos the people of the reserve keep voting no to allow them.

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There are several gaming commissions. Kahnawake is by far the biggest and fast becoming the industry standard. Their procedures are laid out clearly on their web site. Noble claimes to be licensed in Antigua and Barbuda. I'm sure they are but I've only their word for it. There is no reference to licensing on there web page. That being the case, how does one find information on licensing requirements in those countries. They do go into detail on their own security procedures. Sounds pretty in depth, but without strict oversight, they are, in the end, accountable only to themselves.

The KGC may not even be legal in their own country! There are pending criminal investigations into them. If you do a proper google you will find this to be true. So you think these guys are into strict oversight? We would all like to think so, I am not convinced. In Noble's case they are certified by an actual government gaming commision. After doing alot of reading I came to the conclusion that as long as a site has taken the trouble to actually get licensed by a gaming commision they are probably ok. If you are really interested http://www.antiguagaming.gov.ag/
Imperial e-club is the casino group that owns Noble I believe although Nick could probably confirm or correct it for me.

When I began this thread, I had no intention of it becoming a Crusade against Noble Poker. That remains the case. Rather, I was attempting to address an issue which concerns us all, namely online gaming security and integrity and how we as laymen (I’m assuming) can be certain we are being dealt an even hand.

With new gaming sites popping up every day, with great graphics, innovative features and let’s not forget freerolls, it’s easy to get excited and hope that all regulating agencies are the equal of one another, but I don’t know that to be the case. I think the best we can do is to judge each regulating authority by the company that it keeps. Most of the well known professional poker players endorse one online site or another. Virtually all those sites are licensed by the KGC. In fact, there are over 300. By contrast, The Antigua Gaming Commission website (link provided by XDMANX007, thanks) shows 36.

Licensing by Kahnawake is easy to verify due to its requirement that a link to its home page be prominently displayed at the bottom of the home page of each of its members. Antigua has no such requirement. In fact, it was necessary for me to contact the Noble Poker Support to find out who they were licensed by, making it more difficult to lodge a complaint if that be necessary.

Further more, Noble is not named as a licensee by the Antigua Gaming Commission. XDMANX007 tells us in his post (again, Thanks for the info XDMAN) that Noble is owned by a company called Imperial E-Club Limited who is listed. A link to their website then refers you further to another site www.casinotropez.com . The casino tropez site displays a banner for Noble Poker. I guess this means that Noble is under the license of Casino Tropez who’s under the license of Imperial E-Club Limited who’s licensed by Antigua.

As for Kahnawake, I accepted XDMAN’s invitation to google KGC in regards to investigations against its legitimacy. Although I found no allegations of corruption, there seems to be some question as to whether the Kahnawake Mohawk sovereignty provides it with the authority to promote online gaming within its borders which lie in the province of Quebec. Whether that in itself is enough for you to avoid playing at the over 300 sites sanctioned by the KGC is a decision each of us can make for ourselves.

Wow Four Dogs, I'm extremely impressed. This thread has turned into a very interesting topic and you've put a lot of effort into research. I wonder if you could contact Noble and ask to see to the manager and ask about this? I'd be very interested to hear what they say.

I suggest after this topic has been discussed to it's full potential we put together pieces of this thread into an article for everyone to read in our articles section.

well until there is one universal commission, ppl would probably question a licenced gaming site if its not licenced by the top or most popular commission, but unless you have a suspicion about the commission itself there isnt much u should do. Noble most likely is licenced by the commission closest to its base of operation...sometimes all we can do is hope everything is on the up and up. I'llhave to agree with Nick and say this would make a great article.

Well it is a very important issue that anybody that is going to put their real money at risk should be interested in. I am glad you found what I was talking about when I told you that KGC may not be legal in Canada. I often urge people in posts to keep their minds open this is exactly what I mean. It does appear that Britain has no problem whatsoever with online gaming it would be nice if the US and UK could work together to give our thing much needed legitimacy. As it stands until the US decides to stop the witch hunt against online gaming then we the people will always have to wonder out about the legitimacy of online gaming. I mean the main reason these commisions are even around is because the US has made it so hard for us to transfer money to and from the sites. I would be happy if the rooms licensed in the UK would open their doors to US players very few do. You could easily start a whole new section on the legal aspects of online gaming and I doubt it would take long to fill an entire server with posts and information.:icon_thum

This is alls i have to say about this....I played in a 6 man tourney the other night at noble....5$ buy in....first hand...no kidding...first hand...a queen, ten and nine come up....three different suits so no flush draw...i had a 8 and jack...straight on the flop...not bad...i bet....two fold...next guy raises...third guy calls....i raise again....next guy raises me again...next guy calls...i got a straight already on the flop....maybe i made a bad decision but i didnt want to leave both these two any room to chase something...i go all in....they both call...second guy who kept raising me had a jack and king....a higher str8....geeeeesssss...we both had str8 on the flop and on the first hand....the third guy has two pair queen and ten....guess what come on the turn....a ten...third guy gets a full house to beat us both.....I dont trust the site and hope you all read this cause I will not play there with my money....