Is no limit bad for business?

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Last week I was playing 4/8 Omaha 8 at a local b&m. A lot of dealers had come in from out of town due to the MSPT being there. One dealer from I believe Mississippi was speaking about the live card rooms were closing. He attributed this to No Limit hold'em, saying the game brakes all the casual players and the card rooms were empty. Then multiple players (age 40 and older) began talking how poker rooms used to be full of people playing limit games, big and small. Does anyone have a similar opinion or experienced a decrease in traffic in their local b&m since the no limit boom?
 
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No, but I know the casino closest to me also use to have pretty much just limit.

Then in 03 it converted to mostly NL.

NL is just such a better game IMO. Limit drives me wild, everyone is priced in and no one folds.
 
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I believe the smaller card rooms need to have more limit games because that way they can cater to the older crowd who may not have a lot of money to blow on poker but still love the game. I'm thinking retirees and such who have free time all day to come and play and socialize in these smaller rooms.
 
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In Florida where im from NLHE is crushing all the B and M casinos,It is virtually the only real games going.
I am not much of A cash player and stick mostly to tournament play,but I see the rooms in florida seem to be doing quite well in there cash games.
 
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Ha, old timers... what they're saying is true about the games being offered, but there used to also be more stud in the card rooms too. Times change, and you need to learn to adapt or you'll be stuck griping about the past that doesn't exist.

And no-limit doesn't break players. It helped explode these card rooms. Before the NL explosion, yeah there was limit, like 1-2 tables tops. NL expanded about every poker room across america (and elsewhere) and you can ask anyone who knows anything about that.
 
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Completely the opposite at my local casino - before no limit came along it's true that pretty much all the games were limit... but having five or six tables running was a big night. Now they have 40+ running, even on a lot of weeknights, and the vast majority of them are playing no limit.

Old timers gonna old time IMO.
 
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I've never really played anything but NL but I'm also young and NL Holdem was just becoming super popular when I started playing. I can definitely see why the limit games would be more favorable tho since you can play poker much longer and actually enjoy the game instead of having to deal with the all ins and potentially losing everything over one hand, thus ending your enjoyment of playing poker for the day (unless you want to re-buy)
 
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But going all in is what casuals want to do. Or at least, it's what they THINK they want to do - in practice they just check call all their money way. But going all in is what they've seen people do on TV and dammit they want to have that option too.

Seriously, trust me: a lot of casual players, especially live casual players, are actually confused by limit games. You have to explain to them over and over again that they have to bet/raise in set amounts. And the headache that is trying to explain why the limit doubles on the turn and river... ugh.

Plus they may lose slower in a limit game, but they have a much lesser chance of winning against good players too. In a NL game they can play badly, get their stack in on a draw, or suck out, and still stand a chance of coming out ahead. It's a lot harder to get that lucky that often and profit in a limit game.
 
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I can see arguments on both sides and small operations have to make a difficult call. The large card rooms in CA offer a nice balance of both limit and no limit. That's the ideal but it is difficult in smaller venues.
 
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