new poker room identity

As much as I hate to do this, I may have to/want to, start all over with a fresh online identity.

I don't want to have to do this, but for unities sake it might be a better time to do it than say if I was a very well established online poker playing entity.

I have argued against doing this in the past, so if it happens, I will probably be my worst critic. There are ethical concerns involved. But it may have to be.

That said, what steps can you suggest to totally purge any existing online identity from all poker rooms in particular, but maybe more generally the world wide web.

A fresh email of course, and maybe even a cheap new enet board. What else?

Uhh, if I understand what you want just ask pokerstars if you can close your old account and make a new or one or just change your name on.

What happened to cause you to "start over" as it were..
Identity theft ????
Start with a new computer ....each computer has a mac address that is unique
then tell your ISP you need a new ip address thats a good start...

PS..... get a MAC

arkadiy said:

Uhh, if I understand what you want just ask PokerStars if you can close your old account and make a new or one or just change your name on.

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Can u change your name on other sites as well (like full tilt)? I chose some pretty horrid names just for the sake of playing freerolls and now i actually have money on certain sites and am getting better. I thought there was some kinda policy or something against changing your name. I also was told by a friend that i'd probably have to change my ISP altogether and cash out my old account to start under another name. Seems like a PITA to me but my names kinda suck.

Dogday said:

Can u change your name on other sites as well (like full tilt)? I chose some pretty horrid names just for the sake of playing freerolls and now i actually have money on certain sites and am getting better. I thought there was some kinda policy or something against changing your name. I also was told by a friend that i'd probably have to change my ISP altogether and cash out my old account to start under another name. Seems like a PITA to me but my names kinda suck.

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I don't know if you can or can't, that is why I said try emailing support

Most sites have something along the lines of a 'One Player, One Player name policy'.

I don't want to be breaking rules at all, but a stretch of the definitions may be necessary.

Plus it would give me an opportunity to standardize a personality across all the sites I visit. This actually should be considered a plus.

The above mentioned MAC address resides in the Ethernet chip, thus the probability of a new cheap Ethernet (enet) board.

I am not sure it can even happen. All sites are requiring physical mailing addresses these days, and that is a dead giveaway, I can't be selling my house to do this.

dj11 said:

Most sites have something along the lines of a 'One Player, One Player name policy'.

I don't want to be breaking rules at all, but a stretch of the definitions may be necessary.

Plus it would give me an opportunity to standardize a personality across all the sites I visit. This actually should be considered a plus.

The above mentioned MAC address resides in the Ethernet chip, thus the probability of a new cheap Ethernet (enet) board.

I am not sure it can even happen. All sites are requiring physical mailing addresses these days, and that is a dead giveaway, I can't be selling my house to do this.

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Maybe you can open a PO Box at a place like Mail Boxes Etc.

Ok, make a new account under a name of someone who lives with you.

As long as it is "their" account you are not breaking any rules....

I don't get what the big deal is. Like, why not just keep playing under dj13 or whatever? Is someone mad at you or something?

Well, not to discourage you, but I actually tried very hard at one point a couple of years ago to wipe out my Internet identity and start fresh. I went through a LOT of trouble, and it didn't work. You always seem to leave cyber tracks, no matter how hard you try to cover them.

Good luck though - and if this works out let me know how you did it. I'd really like to know where I went wrong.

Yeah, what's the skinny? You "have to" do this why?

I don't see why it would be so difficult to change an online identity. The only thing you cannot change is your real name since you will want to be able to cash out. That's unless you legally change your name, of course.

Here is how it might work:

• Computer: Get vmware from vmware.com. This is software that allows you to create virtual computers. Each one has unique MAC address(network card) and UUID(Universal Identifier provided by the motherboard). The virtual hard drives also have unique serial numbers. There is an added advantage to this since you can easily recover when your computer get's bugs by simply keeping a freshly installed virtual machine.
• IP Number: They are dynamic so no need to do anything. If parannoid, get a different ISP.
• Email: Trivial to change
• Address: Get a mail box or mail forwarding service or ask a friend to use their address. Alternatively, invent an address. You can always change it later.
• Phone: Invent one that corresponds to the address. Who is going to call you? Alternatively, get a low cost VOIP number.

If you cash out your existing poker accounts, close them, and then reopen new accounts, I don't see how you would be violating any of their policies. You could do the same with ewallet accounts.

Am I missing something here? Please let me know if this works for you. I am curious myself.

Well, it depends on whether or not he wants to wipe out only his poker identity or his entire Internet identity.

Full tilt allows more than one player per address, and I believe most other poker rooms do as well, but I know that at Full Tilt the players must have separate banking identities or e-passporte accounts - so if that's how he loads and withdrawls he could have some problems there.

The biggest issue with wiping out an Internet identity is web archives. Even if you change your username on every single MB you post on, a google search of your old screen name will lead someone to the new username, mostly because of other poster quoting you.

But I doubt dj would need to go that far - unless he too has a crazy ex-husband stalking message board posts looking for evidence of unfaithfullness *rolls eyes*

arkadiy said:

I don't know if you can or can't, that is why I said try emailing support

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What did the support say at FT about new accounts?

I tried getting a new account on FTP. They wont delete old accounds 'just because'.

Mr DJ are you an alien spy and who has fallen for our earthly ways and to hide from your overlords and in an attempt to defect to the human side you have found you need to change all evidence of you new existence?

Or am i a little wide of the mark

beardyian said:

Mr DJ are you an alien spy and who has fallen for our earthly ways and to hide from your overlords and in an attempt to defect to the human side you have found you need to change all evidence of you new existence?

Or am i a little wide of the mark

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You are perhaps confusing me and him.

dj11 said:

Most sites have something along the lines of a 'One Player, One Player name policy'.

I don't want to be breaking rules at all, but a stretch of the definitions may be necessary.

Plus it would give me an opportunity to standardize a personality across all the sites I visit. This actually should be considered a plus.

The above mentioned MAC address resides in the Ethernet chip, thus the probability of a new cheap Ethernet (enet) board.

I am not sure it can even happen. All sites are requiring physical mailing addresses these days, and that is a dead giveaway, I can't be selling my house to do this.

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Changing your MACC address won't help you. You have to change your IP address - and maybe your subnet (i.e. your ISP). Your MACC address is gone from the packet the first Layer 3 IP router your traffic goes through.

arahel_jazz said:

Changing your MACC address won't help you. You have to change your IP address - and maybe your subnet (i.e. your ISP). Your MACC address is gone from the packet the first Layer 3 IP router your traffic goes through.

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The MAC address (and other computer identifiers) are accessible by the poker application and can be sent through their own data stream. This has nothing to do with networking.

And the IP address is dynamic anyway. And they cannot use subnets or else they would end up with one customer per ISP. I think that would limit their customer base somewhat.

Before I ever deposited any money I made an attempt to unify all my poker names. I forgot which of the big 2 wouldn't allow me to change names. Hell that was last year when at one point I had probably 15 different sites loaded, so it was likely several who nixed that idea for me.

The 'have to' part would be for convenience only. Nothing bad has happened. The 'want to' part is for the unification across multiple sites.

10 years ago, it wouldn't have been hard at all. I was still a PC whiz then, and the notion of the anonymous entity was not frowned on much then. The recently developed frown has turned into a scowl, with fangs.

What this does sort of tie in with are some ethical issues recently discussed, and some of the seemingly draconian identity hoops many have described during a site withdrawal. Remember that in America, for the most part, your SS# is also your taxpayer ID#.

Since my game has gotten to the point where the reality of the possibility that the next jump in it will put me into the realm of profit, I figured now is the time to test the possibilities of these changes.

The ethical issues, for familiarities sake, can be addressed by asking;

If AG has a 2nd online entity ID as a player marked as a donk, and all of a sudden improves as that donk, is it right? Should tar and feathers figure into the remedy?

Genso Hikki said:

Well, it depends on whether or not he wants to wipe out only his poker identity or his entire Internet identity.

Full tilt allows more than one player per address, and I believe most other poker rooms do as well, but I know that at Full Tilt the players must have separate banking identities or e-passporte accounts - so if that's how he loads and withdrawls he could have some problems there.

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But a person's name is not unique. An address is. If all other information changes, how can they deny him a new account? They must have more than one John Smith as customer.

The biggest issue with wiping out an Internet identity is web archives. Even if you change your username on every single MB you post on, a google search of your old screen name will lead someone to the new username, mostly because of other poster quoting you.

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I don't understand what you mean. If I changed my screenname to, say, Fat Bastard (not that I am fat or a bastard, I should point out, but to disguise myself), then all references to Cheetah are unchanged. How would anyone find out that Fat Bastard is Cheetah?

But I doubt dj would need to go that far - unless he too has a crazy ex-husband stalking message board posts looking for evidence of unfaithfullness *rolls eyes*

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I am sorry you had such terrible experience with your ex. Hey, if he continues to stalk you, perhaps we could collectively stalk him back. That should teach him a lesson.

dj11 said:

The ethical issues, for familiarities sake, can be addressed by asking;

If AG has a 2nd online entity ID as a player marked as a donk, and all of a sudden improves as that donk, is it right? Should tar and feathers figure into the remedy?

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If you play at a local casino and disguise yourself one day, is that any different than using a different screenname online? Except that online a tracking software will quickly discover you are you.

think about it
if all u want to do is change ur account names u should be allowed
look at david benyamine he had like a dozen different names that the site knew about but did nothing about. antonious has like 5 accounts tha they know about.SBrugby once played under moneyhungryhoe
why only ppl with million dollar bankrolls have this feature in my oppinion they are not treating everyone equally
FIGHT THE POWER:thrasher:

dj11 said:

If AG has a 2nd online entity ID as a player marked as a donk, and all of a sudden improves as that donk, is it right? Should tar and feathers figure into the remedy?

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Are you calling L.Schumner a donk?

Cheetah said:

But a person's name is not unique. An address is. If all other information changes, how can they deny him a new account? They must have more than one John Smith as customer.

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It's not the name, it's the banking information (credit card and account numbers). Of course, it's easy enough to open new accounts.

Cheetah said:

I don't understand what you mean. If I changed my screenname to, say, Fat Bastard (not that I am fat or a bastard, I should point out, but to disguise myself), then all references to Cheetah are unchanged. How would anyone find out that Fat Bastard is Cheetah?

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Ever use the search feature of a message board "find all posts by this member? If the name changes, the old posts show up under the new name. That's one problem. Figuring out that Cheetah is Fat Bastard is more difilcult unless you're well aqauinted enough with the person and want to spend the time to cross reference conversations on message boards to figure it out.

Cheetah said:

I am sorry you had such terrible experience with your ex. Hey, if he continues to stalk you, perhaps we could collectively stalk him back. That should teach him a lesson.

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LOL, I appreciate it. I doubt he bothers anymore as our relationship has improved a lot since those days, but even if he does, I don't really care anymore. I'll keep your offer in mind though if he ever ticks me off again!