Never play in 10 position

Danoncebay · Sep 13, 2018

Last night I went to a poker tournament in a casino. Everything was fine until I was placed in the 10th position. At first I did not take any notice because I had never sat in that position before. I entered 1 hour from the end of record tadío, this I like because I avoid the recreational that go with banking and make unlimited rebuys. All good and I managed to get to the last break next to the addon. From one moment to the next, I found myself a cheapleader at a table.

All good until the decisive hand. I'm in UTG + 2, I'm 6-6, the blinds are in 3k / 6k against 500, I open 12k, and I'm SB 3 to 24k, I go allin and I instantly flip my pair, in that the Dealer covers my cards in a quick move ,

I wonder what happened, it turns out that UTG + 1 had limped me, I was very sorry, to give you an idea, being in position 10 I am to the right of the Dealer, and UTG + 1 is on your left, NOT HAVE SEEN, my action was I think the best taking into account Heads Up, for this UTG + 1, I had not seen my cards, he folded his pair of 8, I consider that in Heads UP I have about 72%, of having seen limpear to UTG +1 obviously folded with SB's raise. The rest is history, 6-6 vs Q-A, his Q comes out on the turn.

Moral, be very careful to sit in this position, I am regular cash, and I always feel in position 5, 6, 7 or one where I have the general vision of all. In this case, the Dealer capped the player UTG + 1 and did not realize that this was still in play. Greetings to all, there is my argument for action, what do you think?

JAAMEZz · Sep 13, 2018

i always find 10 at the table to be way too crowded. also, always have to make sure about who is in the hand still.

firstcrack · Sep 15, 2018

Not a huge fan of ten at the table, either.

BilNicholson · Sep 15, 2018

10 at a table is just awful.

DomGov · Sep 16, 2018

Agreed, 10 is just too much..
Commonly happens at both my local homegames and bar games :/

Have honestly avoided them lately and this is one of the biggest reasons.
Especially with the bar game I mention, it's literally just as plausible to split into an additional table, they choose not to do so out of laziness essentially >< (It's a tournament in this scenario)

lewis99 · Sep 16, 2018

gday all...yes that is a problem position..space and lack of dealers factor into this... usually the dealer announces bets,raises all-ins..mention when sitting.....thanks darrell

BobbyMorton · Sep 16, 2018

I always avoid ten if I can it can be a bit crowded and it also annoys me in that position.

swannymojo · Sep 17, 2018

Not a big fan of position ten...but also not a big fan of the decision to treat pocket 6s like an all in hand when it sounds like you had a healthy stack in a full ring tourney game. Playing 6s utg +2 is understandably tricky since its good enough that your probably the best hand pre-flop but if you raise and then get re-raised you face a tough decision. Call? You can't really call because if you call your not just going to fold your hand to a 25 percent pot bet that'd bring you all in, right? Its tough to give a decent analysis on this hand since i don't know stack sizes but the hands that are re-raising you are any pocket pairs above 88s (which dominate you) or strong aces which are only small underdogs to your pocket 66s. The point is when you get it all in with 66s when facing significant action from utg +2 you are generally either dominated or only a slight favorite to win the hand. I'd reccomend folding 66 in utg+2 at this point in the tourney.

I'd like to know your thoughts on that?

xbronk · Sep 17, 2018

I avoid playing ten :call2:is exactly inconvenient to avoid those situations that always occur

FATToney12 · Oct 15, 2018

10 at a table is just too crowded and everyone seems grumpy. There's really no good way to take dominance in such a table or a way to slow it out at such a table.

Jillychemung · Oct 15, 2018

Seat 10 is my favorite. As I pay a lot of attention to what's happening at the table I like seat 10 since it allows seats 1,2,3 a chance to make a mistake if they aren't observant. Many times they have acted out of turn and given me more info before I get a chance to take action. As with any position at the table, if you don't pay attention you can make mistakes.

Poker_Mike · Oct 15, 2018

Danoncebay said:
Last night I went to a poker tournament in a casino. Everything was fine until I was placed in the 10th position. At first I did not take any notice because I had never sat in that position before. I entered 1 hour from the end of record tadío, this I like because I avoid the recreational that go with banking and make unlimited rebuys. All good and I managed to get to the last break next to the addon. From one moment to the next, I found myself a cheapleader at a table.

All good until the decisive hand. I'm in UTG + 2, I'm 6-6, the blinds are in 3k / 6k against 500, I open 12k, and I'm SB 3 to 24k, I go allin and I instantly flip my pair, in that the Dealer covers my cards in a quick move ,

I wonder what happened, it turns out that UTG + 1 had limped me, I was very sorry, to give you an idea, being in position 10 I am to the right of the Dealer, and UTG + 1 is on your left, NOT HAVE SEEN, my action was I think the best taking into account Heads Up, for this UTG + 1, I had not seen my cards, he folded his pair of 8, I consider that in Heads UP I have about 72%, of having seen limpear to UTG +1 obviously folded with SB's raise. The rest is history, 6-6 vs Q-A, his Q comes out on the turn.

Moral, be very careful to sit in this position, I am regular cash, and I always feel in position 5, 6, 7 or one where I have the general vision of all. In this case, the Dealer capped the player UTG + 1 and did not realize that this was still in play. Greetings to all, there is my argument for action, what do you think?

It was NOT your seat number. It has nothing to do with how many players were at the table.

You simply did not pay attention - and notice that the 3-seat had open-limped. Yes, ultimately it was your fault.

Personally I like the 10-seat or even the 1-seat. I feel crowded in the 6-seat in the middle (but some players like this seat better because they can see the flop better).

The only warning I would give anyone about the 10-seat is to protect your cards when you look at them because sometimes the 10-seat angles his cards in such a way that the 1-seat can see the 10-seat's cards.

Good luck !

madjek · Oct 15, 2018

swannymojo said:
Not a big fan of position ten...but also not a big fan of the decision to treat pocket 6s like an all in hand when it sounds like you had a healthy stack in a full ring tourney game. Playing 6s utg +2 is understandably tricky since its good enough that your probably the best hand pre-flop but if you raise and then get re-raised you face a tough decision. Call? You can't really call because if you call your not just going to fold your hand to a 25 percent pot bet that'd bring you all in, right? Its tough to give a decent analysis on this hand since i don't know stack sizes but the hands that are re-raising you are any pocket pairs above 88s (which dominate you) or strong aces which are only small underdogs to your pocket 66s. The point is when you get it all in with 66s when facing significant action from utg +2 you are generally either dominated or only a slight favorite to win the hand. I'd reccomend folding 66 in utg+2 at this point in the tourney.

I'd like to know your thoughts on that?

Agree with this. Seems like op was saying 74%? Not sure where he'd get that. Where I play all tournaments are 10 seated. I don't really like 1 or 10 seat cause seems not much room with dealer right next to me but I always pay attention to the other side of dealer because of site issues. Sometimes I miss their action and even if I don't see cards in front of them will ask dealer if they went. Not sure what poker-Mike was saying about 1 seat seeing 10s cards. The dealer is in between, don't think anyway 1 seat is seeing my cards if in 10 seat. With my poor eye sight, I def prefer 4 thru 7 seat

Poker_Mike · Oct 15, 2018

madjek said:
Agree with this. Seems like op was saying 74%? Not sure where he'd get that. Where I play all tournaments are 10 seated. I don't really like 1 or 10 seat cause seems not much room with dealer right next to me but I always pay attention to the other side of dealer because of site issues. Sometimes I miss their action and even if I don't see cards in front of them will ask dealer if they went. Not sure what poker-Mike was saying about 1 seat seeing 10s cards. The dealer is in between, don't think anyway 1 seat is seeing my cards if in 10 seat. With my poor eye sight, I def prefer 4 thru 7 seat

I was warning that if the 10-seat picks up their cards to look at them (or angles them to the side) - then the 1-seat may be able to see them - even with the dealer "in the way".

Some players don't protect their hand enough in the 10-seat - sometimes they feel like there is no-one looking over their shoulder.

But the 1-seat is always looking - at least just to see if the 10-seat had acted yet.

Good luck !

madjek · Oct 15, 2018

Poker_Mike said:
I was warning that if the 10-seat picks up their cards to look at them (or angles them to the side) - then the 1-seat may be able to see them - even with the dealer "in the way".

Some players don't protect their hand enough in the 10-seat - sometimes they feel like there is no-one looking over their shoulder.

But the 1-seat is always looking - at least just to see if the 10-seat had acted yet.

Good luck !

I see . Maybe tables are different elsewhere, but I can hardly see the opposite side of dealer when in these seats, but I see what you mean if you just kinda lift cards to side and not protect view. Which leads me to ask a question a little off topic here, as I've played with some players, usually older, that don't do a good job protecting the view when looking at cards and I have easily been able to see them, by accident of course, and afterward would always look away until I knew they were done looking. Is it unethical to take advantage of someone like this. I mean just using peripheral vision I could see them, but just didn't seem right so I would look away, instead maybe i should of said something, but then feel like I'm telling them I was looking.

Poker_Mike · Oct 16, 2018

madjek said:
I see . Maybe tables are different elsewhere, but I can hardly see the opposite side of dealer when in these seats, but I see what you mean if you just kinda lift cards to side and not protect view. Which leads me to ask a question a little off topic here, as I've played with some players, usually older, that don't do a good job protecting the view when looking at cards and I have easily been able to see them, by accident of course, and afterward would always look away until I knew they were done looking. Is it unethical to take advantage of someone like this. I mean just using peripheral vision I could see them, but just didn't seem right so I would look away, instead maybe i should of said something, but then feel like I'm telling them I was looking.

Common poker courtesy is to clearly warn the player ONCE. "Hey man, when you hold your cards like that I can see them. I'm just telling you."

Then if the player continues to not protect his hand.....the info is all yours.

Of course there is no rule requiring this. I've played with elderly players that are literally lifting the cards off the table right in front of their glasses. I'm always wondering what and why they are doing in a live game.

But in tournaments there IS a rule not to expose your live hand. The player may receive a warning and then a penalty.

FYI...we got some skinny dealers here.....lol

Good luck !

Martin Carreira · Nov 1, 2018

I agree, particularly I always try to avoid last positions, and sit down in one that has a better overview of everything. regards

Never play in 10 position

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