Muck your hand and forget about it ?

Fahrenheit451

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Can you do this ?
Or, like me, you look what would it be if you don't ?

When I muck 22 cause guy before me raises to 10BB and flop comes 22A I can't help, but mumble F-words and ponder why it "allways" is that you loose with AA AI and muck winning hands ?
Looks like Poker God is ridiculing me.

Of course, I know this is silly, but I can't help get emotional in such cases ;)
 
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I caught myself doing this the other day, glad you brought it up... You're right, it does feel as though we are the forsaken ones when this happens. I've decided to try and change this behavior because before I'd noticed, I didn't realize that I look at it like this every time! Meanwhile, I give no thought to the usual outcome (a sigh of relief that I didn't call that 22)! I had to stop and think about it to realize that this basically trains your brain to reward bad play and/or over-value marginal hands... I also have a problem of doing this when set-mining: missing the flop and then seeing the magic card on the turn :banghead: Maybe this is why many sites' software hides your hand after you fold, so if you want to play tricks on yourself you have to hover to get another peek :p I think the best thing I've learned here so far is to judge yourself by how 'correct' the move you make is, rather than if you would have won the pot by making a 'bad call'. You may have flopped quads (1/407 or 0.25%!), but if the action dictated that you should fold you made the right move at the end of the day.
 
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Let it go, but let it teach you at the same time--especially when you are playing live. You know your cards so it can help with your reading skills and start to narrow the range on other players at the table. So instead of 'whoa is me', use it to help you focus and learn tendencies.

This is also why you watch players when the flop comes and try not to be focused on the board. If you are in a hand and you see the bozo in seat 3 AGAIN flip out and whisper to the guy beside him, you know his mucked hand hit the board and that can help you narrow down some of the possible cards missing from the deck.

Don't agonize on your old hand, use it to teach you about opponents and their tendencies.

Cheers
 
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similar issue this morning. caught my jinx hand in a free roll (JJ) on the button. when 5 people limped i raised to 195, and of course all the limpers followed. :)mad:) 8K8 came on flop so i c-bet 1/3 pot. dude UTG then raises crazy amount on the 2 on the turn, where i fold, and of course my J comes on the river just to see the guy turn 8J. needless to say no more freerolls today or this week for me :eek:
 
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Can you do this ?
Or, like me, you look what would it be if you don't ?

When I muck 22 cause guy before me raises to 10BB and flop comes 22A I can't help, but mumble F-words and ponder why it "allways" is that you loose with AA AI and muck winning hands ?
Looks like Poker God is ridiculing me.

Of course, I know this is silly, but I can't help get emotional in such cases ;)

Lol yeah that happens to me aswell. Even if i fold 72 utg on a 9 player table and the flop is 227 i cant help but feel how " unlucky" i was to fold the hand, however its much worse when you fold a good hand like a10 preflop against 2 shoves and the flop is jqk turn 2 and river 3 . that pisses me off a little bit however unless you are a psychic you have to fold bad hands and even good ones if you dont have the odds to call.
 
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... unless you are a psychic you have to fold bad hands and even good ones if you dont have the odds to call.

At such occasions I am mad at myself for not being a psychic ;)
 
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...unless you are a psychic you have to fold bad hands and even good ones if you dont have the odds to call.

I often use my psychotic abilities to levitate my mouse. Of course, I'm using a fairly liberal definition of levitate to describe what actually happens. :rolleyes:


Cheers!
 
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I never get emotional about that, one of the advantages to being really really old is that I forget what my hand was as soon as I muck it.
 
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Lol! I am way impressed with my mouse's levitation skills, I do have to put the pieces back together again but it still works... every time.

I am playing the pokerschoolonline open skills league freerolls on stars, you have to score in the top 500 to be admitted to the premiere league for next month. Now this is a demonic beast of highest ranks in halides not only do you get to suffer the shame and torment of busting out early, you actually get points deducted.

A week ago I was in the top 500 with my goal set, steady as she goes, to climb to the top 200. I think I am ranked 2500+ currently. Just look at this example, I couldn't even make this up as a story, http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/14010837_BD5D249F6C the EV against his exact hand for each street is written in the comments. Calling his shove/bluff on the turn as a 9 to 1 favorite. %^$@$&*#!

But now to put anguish to torment I'm running scared and that is possibly the worst way to play poker. I am so embarrassed but similar to wildyetty's JJ river tale, watch me fold the best hand on the turn with 20 chips left on my stack because I am so scared of busting http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/14082565_09857CB34C ...poker can be so brutal.

>>>>>>>

I watched an interesting training video by HU SNG on youtube[1] on the topic of focus and amongst other valuable things he pointed out the fact that we should have no emotion at the table. He suggests not looking at the board after you committed to a flip. Know that you got your money in good with AA and leave it to the gods to decide your fate.

But the interesting thing however is not that he wants us to avoid tilting because you "always" bust. His concern is with you calling for an Ace, shouting one time just one time. He points out how you will react when you do flop a boat aces full of kings and you feel like a god yourself. This is emotion and distracts you from your A-game.

So brutal as it may be our aim is towards the zen of complete detachment of any feeling whatsoever. These are logical decisions geared towards the long term large number success where the odds will prevail and the immediate results are of no consequence. In fact you would be making a mistake if you don't follow the path logic dictates as it is not sustainable in the long run.

So the question is do you want to be the guy that beats AKo with your J2o 1 in 3 times but loses to a range of 20% every 3 out 4 times or the guy that wins with AKo 2 out of 3 times regardless of what the hell they are holding? It's not 100% until the river it never will be. All we can do is say hold baby - jcarver

Hope this helps... good luck!

[1] The importance of focus https://youtu.be/m-5JM70269M
 
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i understand getting upset but when the board pairs and you mumble or show anger youre telling the players in the hand that you had one of the other two cards so keep that in mind
 
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I hate it online when they show your folded hole cards.....
 
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Admittedly, I look at what could have been usually.
 
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Don't forget, selective memory works here also, just like you forget all the big starting hands that hold up & only remember the suck outs, you forget all the good folds & as well as the crap hands that hit & would have lost by showdown & fixate on the few that would have won. Watch the play of your opponents instead of wasting your time.
 
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mucked cards keep me awake at night
 
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I think it would be more unusual for someone not to think **** I would have flopped the nuts. But of course just like any other hand once its over, its over. Forget about it and on to the next.
 
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Again, this is very hard to do. Props to those that can.
 
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Can you do this ?
Or, like me, you look what would it be if you don't ?

When I muck 22 cause guy before me raises to 10BB and flop comes 22A I can't help, but mumble F-words and ponder why it "allways" is that you loose with AA AI and muck winning hands ?
Looks like Poker God is ridiculing me.

Of course, I know this is silly, but I can't help get emotional in such cases ;)

I know that feeling but I've learned to always remember the right plays will win in the longrun. It's like if you just folded 72 and a 77A flop comes. That's gonna happen less than 2 percent of the time and 72 in the longrun will bleed your roll. 22 in the long run in most situations will bleed your roll.
 
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22 in the long run in most situations will bleed your roll.

Hey now, I've got to disagree with you here... Particularly, I love 22 for set-mining. Nobody can pin you on the 2 if you call PFR! ;) For all intensive purposes 22 is just as good against a dominating hand as 88 for example (3% difference against AKo, read as: negligible and same amount of outs if set-mining) Guess it depends on 'most situations' you get into :eek:
 
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