Misrepresenting your hand

#1 23rd September 2017, 8:48 PM

heads up play- player A- makes a bet and Player B- calls PLAYER A says I have a full house and PLAYER B FOLDS, PLAYER A shows his hand and it is not a full house. What do you think the ruling should be? 1) falls under player responsibility and guy should have waited til the cards were tabled or 2) reward pot to PLAYER B because player mispresented there hand and cause them to fold. If anybody knows what would happen in the World Series of poker or in most card rooms. I say players responibility and player A is just a piece of crap for angle shooting.

#2 23rd September 2017, 10:01 PM

Against loose players, you don't need to misrepresent your hands.

Against tighter ones, it becomes a necessity to do so especially on VERY strong hands.

#3 25th September 2017, 2:41 AM

Originally Posted by Tderushe

heads up play- player A- makes a bet and Player B- calls PLAYER A says I have a full house and PLAYER B FOLDS, PLAYER A shows his hand and it is not a full house. What do you think the ruling should be? 1) falls under player responsibility and guy should have waited til the cards were tabled or 2) reward pot to PLAYER B because player mispresented there hand and cause them to fold. If anybody knows what would happen in the World Series of poker or in most card rooms. I say players responibility and player A is just a piece of crap for angle shooting.

I'm assuming this is on the river?

Player A is absolutely a douche for angle shooting.

The rules should allow Player B to retrieve their cards and claim the pot if their hand is indeed better than Player A's actual hand.

Player A should get a warning from the floor at the very least, if not a penalty.

If this isn't on the river (ie: the hand hasn't gone to showdown) then it's maybe a bit different. Player A is still kind of a douche, but it's not the same kind of angle shoot.

#4 25th September 2017, 3:50 AM

I learned a long time ago, the cards read themselves. You can say whatever you have but I paid to see them, so show them to me. I even had a dealer once say why you want to see them. He folded after you shown your cards which I had to cause I was first to show, but again I pay to see and I want to see those cards.
Now this type of play should have some sort of penalty because agree it is shady but the other player definitely should be seeing the cards and not caring what the player says he has

#5 25th September 2017, 4:07 AM

Originally Posted by OzExorcist

I'm assuming this is on the river?

Player A is absolutely a douche for angle shooting.

The rules should allow Player B to retrieve their cards and claim the pot if their hand is indeed better than Player A's actual hand.

Player A should get a warning from the floor at the very least, if not a penalty.

If this isn't on the river (ie: the hand hasn't gone to showdown) then it's maybe a bit different. Player A is still kind of a douche, but it's not the same kind of angle shoot.

The cards are in the muck. You can't identify them. The floor told player A that they can't win that pot but in TDA RULES there isn't anything about that at least from what I've read

#6 25th September 2017, 4:22 AM

Originally Posted by Tderushe

The cards are in the muck. You can't identify them. The floor told player A that they can't win that pot but in TDA RULES there isn't anything about that at least from what I've read

If Player B's cards are already in the muck and can't be identified then... while it's gross, I guess you have to award the pot to Player A? I'd definitely expect them to get penalised as well though.

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