Micro stakes holdem

Is it me, or are people in the micro holdem limits REALLY BAD players? I don't know, I find them easier to beat than higher stakes player who play on play money, as in free money. These micro stakes guys will chase a 4 out straight all the way, paying what u ask. It's rediculous. Am I finding lucky donks, or is this the norm.?

i think in all stakes there are bad players however remember that player who plays at lower stakes generally won their money from freerolls so they tend to risk more money.. thats because they dont care to lose, so for that reason they play like fishes...

You will also find a lot of micro stake grinders. I mean, just look around this forum, the majority of people play micro to mid stakes and all have pokertracker/HEM software on there comps.

I think that because so for many it is like playing the slots. If they get lucky they could double up or better and hey, it is only 80 cents. So they just donk it off. I watched a guy re-buy 4 times in less than a half an hour.

I have just recently been working at micro grinding and have to fight the temptation of "well, it is only a nickel to call..." and I give in to the donk mentality.

Ursala said:

I think that because so for many it is like playing the slots. If they get lucky they could double up or better and hey, it is only 80 cents. So they just donk it off. I watched a guy re-buy 4 times in less than a half an hour.

I have just recently been working at micro grinding and have to fight the temptation of "well, it is only a nickel to call..." and I give in to the donk mentality.

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Indeed.

It has been said that good players offer a lottery service to bad ones. It's true.

Now, about your nickel. There are going to be a lot of circumstances where the odds demand you call. Don;t be afraid to lose a nickel (small bet) to look someone up when you have a small chance of actually winning. Good example would be when you have a weakish flush on a 4 to a flush board. Or a bottom straight. you don''t have to win many to be profitable when its a nickel to win a 75 cent pot or something.

That happens down here too.

with my poker money coming entirely from freerolls, this is the reason i dont play microstakes cash games, i once saw a guy on ft, sit down at the table with me, go all in every single hand, and when i went back to the table, he had 72 dollars in play, these tables were capped at 2 or 5 dollars and he sat dwn with 80 cents, but if you're willing to grind it out and take a few ridiculous beats then it can be profitable i'd assume

Yes they are just that bad.

I find that the quality of play at the micro stakes tables has improved a lot. Cardschat and other forums give a lot of great advice to newbies, and the overall play has improved in the last couple of years because of it... I see things I never saw before even in the 2 cent games, like players folding a pair of kings after a raise on the flop when an ace shows up.

lol, it is the norm in all poker, it depends on who is clicking the mouse, no matter what the stakes somep people are there to gamble and some to play poker, if u get caught by someone who is there to gamble u lose more money. Just unlucky.

its impossible to win at those limits because the play is too bad.

grind

I have been grinding low stakes poker for 4 years and have made over a grand but have played many hours and seen lots of big down swings. So yes,u can make a little playing low stakes if u have the patience.

lots of bad players, so you'll win in the long run if you are patient and play good hands. But, you're going to experience some bad beats because there are a lot of lotto players who will play any 2 suited cards...

theskillzdatklls said:

its impossible to win at those limits because the play is too bad.

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That is a mind-bogglingly silly thing to say if you think about it.

micro stakes players tend to be the broke players and in turn means that the majority are donks and people who don't know how to play...

impossible to win at Micro?

theskillzdatklls said:

its impossible to win at those limits because the play is too bad.

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Nup sorry, completely disagree with you there. Micro games are the easiest games to beat.

theskillzdatklls said:

its impossible to win at those limits because the play is too bad.

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Not at all. Yes you do get some big donk outs.But I have gone from $42 to £391 in about 16 days playing. I was playing really small ball poker (in the words of Doyle)Really tight pre flop and not making any stupid plays.If you have the abilty to only play real hands and play them hard you can crush 5c10c. But most players are not able to hit the fold button 20 hands in a row if required. And it can be that one lose hand that costs them.

Crap thing will not let me edit. So I have to waste another of my seven by reposting.

theskillzdatklls said:

its impossible to win at those limits because the play is too bad.

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Not at all. Yes you do get some big donk outs.But I have gone from $42 to $391 in about 16 days playing. Ok so I was underolled to begin with - but I am not a strong STT player so just went straight for 5c10cI was playing really small ball poker (in the words of Doyle)Really tight pre flop and not making any stupid plays.If you have the abilty to only play real hands and play them hard you can crush 5c10c. But most players are not able to hit the fold button 20 hands in a row if required. And it can be that one lose hand that costs them.If you are a new player you need to look at the leaks in your game. New players have a big leak generally. I paid my fund to work it out so im not going to give out free tips. All the best though.

I understand the patience and there have been times I would fold for an hour and half. Not to say I couldn't of won a hand in there somewhere, but you don't have any way in knowing which to crap cards to play, lol. I must be one of the donks because I have had a hard time making anything at the micro stakes. The biggest thing that has killed me is the suck outs when there is a lot of money or chips in the pot. And when you know you have the best possible hand at that point, how can you fold. A few years ago when I had more money to play with, the cash games I would play would be $25 and up and the tournaments would be $11 and up and had success at coming out ahead. But then some nights I would play when I had had to much to drink or not follow proper bankroll management that I knew nothing about that that time. If I had a $100 to blow I would deposit it and enter a torunament or a cash game at the stakes I mentioned. Like I said, if I didnt get to tanked, I usually made money at these stakes. Now a few years later I get started playing on line poker. This last winter I downloaded fulltilt and started playing freerolls and stuff like that, not depositing any real money. My wife seen me playing and thought it looked like fun, so she started playing also. I told a couple buddys about it and they started playing too, we had the start time of all the freerolls memorized, lol. I wanted to be a better poker player than I was a few years ago, so if I wasn't playing, I would be reading something on it or watching videos. When we got our income tax money back, (and times are harder for us now than they was a few years ago), me and the wife was going to take a mini vacation and go to the casino boat about an hour and a half from us and spend the night. Then I came up with the idea to put the $100 that would would probably blow apiece on line and play poker with it. Unfortunately they didn't have poker at out casino, so the wife thought it sounded like a good idea. So we deposited our money and so did my two buddys. I told everybody how we HAVE to stick to proper bank roll management and really study the game. So I never played cash games higher than 5 cent 10 cent and only once entered a tournament for more than $3.30, which was a $5.50 game and I cashed $34.50 in that. Well the percentage of suck outs at these levels is just god aweful, but I keep reading all the stuff about how it happens, but you will get them back if you stay patient. My bankroll would go down to $50 and then back up over $100, and so on. My cash game was better than my tournament game, but I got my tournament game much better and even won a 2700 person freeroll, was still playing a few of those. Then a week or so ago I was playing and the suck outs were still coming. I would have a player pinned on their two cards and they would still call and suck out. The first two or three times it didn't really bother me. The fourth time I'm thinking how many times can this happen in one night. I'm thinking I am making great reads tonight, so I need to keep playing. After the sixth time of being sucked out on I tilted and it had knocked me down to about $17 in my bankroll. I went to two cash tables with what I had left and I was tilting bad. I can even remember one poor soul calling me a donk that I took some money from and I went off on him. Telling him how I had been sucked out on by donks all night and how much I had lost, so now I am going to start playing like them. He said he understood, said he was sorry and so did I for going off on him. Needless to say I didn't change my play and yes lost the rest of my bankroll. My buddy still has me come over to his house and help him play because I get such good reads and we are winning money on his bankroll. I don't know if some of you would think that is not being fair, but I usually just sit back and watch the game and when there is something I think he should do, then I say it. My whole point is, when I deposit again, I don't think I will try to grind out the micro stakes, I had much better luck at the higher stakes and I feel like I am a much better poker player now than then. You don't seem to have near as many people call with bottom pair hoping to catch a third one on the river and then catching it like you do in the micro stakes.