Live Dealer online poker

Anyone know any rooms?

You're looking for a live dealer in online poker? Something not right up there?

Live dealer in online poker, i am confused.

Phoenix14 said:

Anyone know any rooms?

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I dont know any rooms but i think its a superb idea. Sites that implement this will attract a niche group of players that will appreciate a live dealer dealing cards to play poker online, something on the lines of live blackjack. Great idea.

And why ?Besides, you imagine how much you will need to dealers to provide even little room? It can afford only players nl1000 how minimum..

Not sure if they still do it, but the Excalibur in Vegas had a live table but no live dealer.
Everyone had a screen in front of them and their cards showed on the screen when they put their hands on the screen between the cards and the rest of the players.
Can't see any advantage to players or to site for having a live dealer for online poker.
Would the dealer sit in front of a computer, deal out cards in front of him, and then enter them into the game manually, possibly scan the cards so they show up on players screens?
Curious as to why you would want a live dealer for an online game.

sleepymike said:

Not sure if they still do it, but the Excalibur in Vegas had a live table but no live dealer.
Everyone had a screen in front of them and their cards showed on the screen when they put their hands on the screen between the cards and the rest of the players.

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Yeah, those tables in live venues are reasonably common - cruise ships and low-volume rooms in particular are fans of them I believe because they can maximise hands per hour (delay-free dealing, no delays having to call the floor for dealer errors etc) and cut costs, but they don't tend to be very popular in my experience because when people go to a casino to play poker, they tend to expect a live dealer as part of the experience.

My local card room used to have a heap of them, but now they've all but phased them out because they sat there empty most of the time.

As for having a live dealer online, I don't know of anywhere. There was a site whose name escapes me who claimed to use real cards and shuffle machines, but it turned out they didn't actually deal every hand with them, they just used a few of them to generate input for their RNG or something.

Yeah this could never be practically effective, not only because it would slow an online game down to live speed which the vast majority of online players would not accept, but at some point you have to either digitize or input the card values in order for the software to do anything with it. Not to even mention the logistics and costs of having one human being per online table. You think player liquidity is an issue now? LOL.

As I keep pointing out, no live dealer nor even a shuffle machine could ever shuffle physical cards in a more random fashion than a computer. Electrons and data bits don't stick together like live cards do, and can be shuffled billions of times in the time it takes a dealer to finish one riffle shuffle.

Besides, even a live dealer wouldn't quell the diehard rigtards, because the first "bad beat" they took, they'd insist the dealer was shady and impossible to verify since s/he's remote and inaccessible.

As I keep pointing out, no live dealer nor even a shuffle machine could ever shuffle physical cards in a more random fashion than a computer.


I have a question concerning the random number generator(question not an argument) I've heard in the past that a computer cannot randomly generate numbers 100%. Well... can they? If not, what does that do to the overall odds of the deck? If you have time Dmorris, I'd like to hear your theory on this. I'm still new to CC so if this is a stupid question, please go easy on me.

I'm sure there are threads on here concerning this matter. If you don't have time, don't worry about it.

HAHAH. You answered this for me in the rigged thread. lol. Tks Dmorris

Yeah, I've written more than one long-winded treatise on RNGs, most all of which are contained in the rigtard thread. If you're brave enough to search that deeply, brace yourself for some very long and dry technical posts which answer all those questions in detail.

Couldn't it be done using a RFID chip in the cards with a RFID reader in place of each seat? then the rest of the actions such as betting could be done as it would normally online.

(question is at you Dmo since you are probably the most fit to answer this.)

Now why the hell you would want this is another question..

In theory it could, but RFID is far from perfect. Mis-reads/no-reads are fairly common and given the speed at which accomplished dealers handle the cards I would expect lots of opportunities for misdeals and delays while they fix stuff. Not to mention the inefficiency of basically having a dealer sit at an empty card table with enough space to deal 9 or 10 hands of RFID cards to exact points without interfering with each others' read zones... in other words, pretty close to a full-size poker table. x1000 or however many tables this presumed online site is going to operate. Plus the technological investment to reap what would be a questionable reward when online poker as it currently operates can handle far more volume and generate far more revenue.

While it may sound like an interesting concept, to me it's blatantly unfeasible, not to mention wholly unnecessary and making no business sense. To me it's like someone swimming across the Atlantic because they don't trust planes or ships. The rational response to such a mistrust is not to travel from the US to Europe, much as the rational response from someone who can't trust an online poker deal is to simply not play online poker.

Another potential issue, I can't imagine a deck with an RFID chip embedded in every single card would be much fun to shuffle (would probably make the cards stiffer, not to mention thicker). They'd be prohibitively expensive too.

Using barcodes instead of RFIDs would eliminate those issues, but would introduce a bunch of others in their place.

OzExorcist said:

Another potential issue, I can't imagine a deck with an RFID chip embedded in every single card would be much fun to shuffle (would probably make the cards stiffer, not to mention thicker). They'd be prohibitively expensive too.

Using barcodes instead of RFIDs would eliminate those issues, but would introduce a bunch of others in their place.

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Putting a RFID chip in the cards doesn't really effect the feel or anything much, it is hard to tell.

The MSPT uses RFID chips for the FT instead of cameras. As for the shuffling machine I don't know since my casino doesn't use them. They might now actually since last time I was in there the dealers were complaining about not wanting them.

Yeah RFID tags can be embedded in paper stock and be basically unnoticeable.We actually have label stock for printing paper labels with embedded RFID tags, and they're much thinner and more flexible (just like ordinary labels) than playing card stock. So while it would certainly be more costly, it's technically feasible to embed tags in playing cards. As with most RFID implementations, the tags themselves are seldom the obstacle (once you accept their cost), but rather how they're read and manipulated reliably. Dealing RFID cards definitely doesn't sound like a viable use case to me.

Embedding tags in chips is a much more practical application of RFID though.

Thsi would change the game . We would have a much slower game. Online is slow enough now.