done because nobody is born knowing rules and plays poker to be played well it has to be analyzed and studied every detail for a failure you end up losing a game a good place in the tournament so i think to be professional it depends on your knowledgeProfessional poker player, born or made? Obviously it is important to study a lot the game, strategies, bankroll and a great etc ... but, how much does talent influence this?
Born and made - we are born with certain attributes. These may or may not be developed as children. After childhood our abilities are locked in.
So if I have the potential from my genes & childhood experiences I may be able to learn to be a great poker player as an adult. But without that basis, it's just not happening. Sorry guys.
Professional poker player, born or made? Obviously it is important to study a lot the game, strategies, bankroll and a great etc ... but, how much does talent influence this?
In any business, talent will not easily succeed, and poker is no exception!Professional poker player, born or made? Obviously it is important to study a lot the game, strategies, bankroll and a great etc ... but, how much does talent influence this?
I disagree with the born, Without any lets say physical/mental limitations that inhibit your ability to learn you can say anyone can be a great player by gaining the correct skills and knowledge. Some may have to work harder than others but it really relies on your desire to work and learn. LeBron was not born to be a great BB player he was born with the tools and developed the skills and knowledge to be the best. Had he never picked up a basketball he would have never been one of the best ie he gained the skills and knowledge was not born to be. Chris Fergusson is a very intelligent mathematician/poker player but was he born with either skill? No he had to gain the skill and knowledge. What I'm trying to say without any physical/mental limitations everyone has the ability to be the best whatever they chose to work hard to be. I look forward to your counter as I am very opinionate on this subject because I was a athletic coach and would always tell my less experienced players that the best on the team were not always the best, they once were just learning like you.Born and made - we are born with certain attributes. These may or may not be developed as children. After childhood our abilities are locked in.
So if I have the potential from my genes & childhood experiences I may be able to learn to be a great poker player as an adult. But without that basis, it's just not happening. Sorry guys.
Well ... since you asked. Reading your post I don't think we disagree at all. As you said,"he was born with the tools and developed the skills and knowledge to be the best". That's no different from "we are born with certain attributes. These may or may not be developed as children". Post childhood, it's scientific fact that our ability to learn decreases as we get older.I disagree with the born, Without any lets say physical/mental limitations that inhibit your ability to learn you can say anyone can be a great player by gaining the correct skills and knowledge. Some may have to work harder than others but it really relies on your desire to work and learn. LeBron was not born to be a great BB player he was born with the tools and developed the skills and knowledge to be the best. Had he never picked up a basketball he would have never been one of the best ie he gained the skills and knowledge was not born to be. Chris Fergusson is a very intelligent mathematician/poker player but was he born with either skill? No he had to gain the skill and knowledge. What I'm trying to say without any physical/mental limitations everyone has the ability to be the best whatever they chose to work hard to be. I look forward to your counter as I am very opinionate on this subject because I was a athletic coach and would always tell my less experienced players that the best on the team were not always the best, they once were just learning like you.
I disagree with the born, Without any lets say physical/mental limitations that inhibit your ability to learn you can say anyone can be a great player by gaining the correct skills and knowledge. Some may have to work harder than others but it really relies on your desire to work and learn. LeBron was not born to be a great BB player he was born with the tools and developed the skills and knowledge to be the best. Had he never picked up a basketball he would have never been one of the best ie he gained the skills and knowledge was not born to be. Chris Fergusson is a very intelligent mathematician/poker player but was he born with either skill? No he had to gain the skill and knowledge. What I'm trying to say without any physical/mental limitations everyone has the ability to be the best whatever they chose to work hard to be. I look forward to your counter as I am very opinionate on this subject because I was a athletic coach and would always tell my less experienced players that the best on the team were not always the best, they once were just learning like you.
Okay let take Chris who was born not with great mathematical skills but with a great mind. Had he concentrated on lets say medicine maybe he would have been just as good at that. My point is he was born with the ability or someone chose to focus him on mathematics and he gained the knowledge and skills to excel at that. I guess I am looking at it too literal. If you were born to be a poker player then with or without training you should be great at poker. What I am trying to say is anyone with a great mind can excel in anything they choose to. Poker like any skill including basketball yes you need the basics but its training, hard work and practice that makes you better. Einstein was a mathematical genius but I bet I could beat his ass at the poker table, until he had the time and knowledge to understand the game. Just my opinion.I still have to disagree. Chris Fergusson was born with an aptitude to maths as LeBron James was a natural athlete. Yes, education and practice honed those skills but they were there to begin with. You cannot take an average Joes and make them a Chris Fergusson or quite obviously, a LeBron James.
In fact, the way to have some perspective on this is to lower the bar so to speak. A person born with special talents (be they mental or physical) can rise to the top in whatever field they excel in. You can then indulge in the 'nature or nurture' debate.
However, what no body ever does is impose that same logic on the less inintelligent. Even if you gave a markedly unintelligent person the best education there would be zero expectation for them to become brilliant. People would accept their limitations. It would be regarded as the natural order of things. We are not born equal (mentally or physically) and therefore our potential in life is generally limited to one degree or another.
Well I guess we agree if you say we are born with abilities but not specific skills. Like I said to DS3 I guess I am looking at it too literal.Well ... since you asked. Reading your post I don't think we disagree at all. As you said,"he was born with the tools and developed the skills and knowledge to be the best". That's no different from "we are born with certain attributes. These may or may not be developed as children". Post childhood, it's scientific fact that our ability to learn decreases as we get older.
Okay let take Chris who was born not with great mathematical skills but with a great mind. Had he concentrated on lets say medicine maybe he would have been just as good at that. My point is he was born with the ability or someone chose to focus him on mathematics and he gained the knowledge and skills to excel at that. I guess I am looking at it too literal. If you were born to be a poker player then with or without training you should be great at poker. What I am trying to say is anyone with a great mind can excel in anything they choose to. Poker like any skill including basketball yes you need the basics but its training, hard work and practice that makes you better. Einstein was a mathematical genius but I bet I could beat his ass at the poker table, until he had the time and knowledge to understand the game. Just my opinion.
P.S. I will argue all day that there is no luck in poker it is all statistical but everyone says you have to get lucky to win. Just another crazy thought I have not really relevant to this topic.