Interesting read about range manipulation earlier, thoughts?

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You have an opponent who opens 30% from button and you have AJo in the BB. Well against his opening range AJo has 58% equity. Now if you 3-bet he'll 4-bet his strong hands, QQ+, AK and you have to fold. Also he can throw you off wha tcould be the best hand with a bluff as you can't call here and he knows it. He will flat with a fairly closed range of strong hands, lets say KQ,JJ-88, AQ, AJs, now you've got <50% equity against this range and it's going to be hard to play post flop. Instead of betting flatting is an option so you leave your opponents range super wide and our range has him dominated now.

I'd say this more applies to higher micro players. Lowest limits people don't like folding once they have put money in the pot. Higher limits you'll get pushed around a lot but I definitely think it has merit at 10NL and 25NL. At 2NL and 5NL you can 3-bet for value. Against the right opponents at 10NL I think this can definitely work. All you accomplish by 3-betting is folding out worse and being called by better, which turns our hand into a bluff. We may as well take a hand that makes us no money and 3-bet rather than a hand where our highest ev route comes from flatting. I've always advocated every time I enter a pot it's with a raise. Reading this though it did make a lot on sense about why I don't need to brainlessly 3-bet AJo against somebody with a wide opening range. Any thoughts on this? Could be a mega old theory but I've only jsut stumbled across so apologies if it is.

Downsides to this is no initiative and having to play the rest of the hand OOP. How about in a CO V Button type situation?
 
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I'd almost always flat here unless villain is the type who will call with a ton of dominated hands.
 
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OOP as well as IP? If you're flatting here I presume 3-betting with a polarised range would be the standard thing to do?

Maybe it was just my thought process. I always 3-bet here without really thing about why I'm doing it or how it changes opponents range. When i play PFR = VPIP lol. The article was like a revelation to me.
 
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Yeah. I play FR so people really don't call 3bets with hands that AJ/AQ/KQ do well against so I flat or fold those hands in and out of position. It keeps your opponent's range wide and allows them to be the one making mistakes with 2nd best hands.

Of course if they're going to call 3bets with a wide range we can 3bet those hands for value.
 
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I play mostly 6-max and I think people can call here with a range that doesn't fair well against mine but quite often I can bet for value in this spot. I think at 25NL though flatting would have some real merit (althought I tend not to play that high, me + 100BB = disaster).
 
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