Interesting idea, any thoughts?

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I was playing a hand recently, where the nuts ended up on the board (A-10 w/o three suited cards). Now, everyone checked through and split the pot, but a thought occured to me. Say you're heads up at this point with a rake of 10%, and say $8 in the pot. You have $50 and your opponent has you covered. Why not go all in, then point out that if your opp calls with $50, he'll only get $49 back, because of the rake. Your opponent folds, and you collect the $8. Any thoughts?
 
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the opponent would actually get half of the $8 back too, so he'd still be profiting
edit: oh nvm now i realize what you're saying
 
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First thought, screw you. I've thought about this too, I'd probably spite call even if I lost money by calling so you wouldn't win. Started thinking about it when a guy pushed $30 into a $1.20 pot in this situation...I only had $10 so calling was profitable if annoying. Don't feed the rake please.
 
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Marginal small time opportunity. Dont feed the rake.
 
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OP's thinking is flawed based on results. If I'm reading it correctly, then the only way that could possibly work is for you to know that checking around will split the pot. But you can't ever really know that, so you're still making a play at a pot you think you might be able to win IF you were going to split anyway.

Also flawed is the thinking abou this -ev for your opponent based on rake. All rakes I've ever seen are capped. Assuming you're playing $50NL online (based on stack sizes provided), then @ PS the rake is $.05 per $1.00 in the pot and is capped at $3.00. If the pot is $8, you shove $50, and opponent calls $50, then the pot is $108. At 5% as above, the rake stops calculating at $3.00 (would be $5.40 if calculated without a cap). So if he calls and you both split then the $108 pot is raked for $3.00 and the $105 split between the two of you for $52.50 each or basically you both made $2.50 of the $8.00 pre-shove pot which equates to giving the poker room $3.00 of a real $8.00 pot because of some goofy theory. Don't feed the rake.

And if you're saying this is live poker opposed to online, then a quick look at Bellagio shows they cap rake at $4.00 max per pot (a $108 pot would pay $3.00 rake btw), so this doesn't matter either.

So the end result is you can pay the $.40 in rake and split $7.60 for $3.80 each, or you can shove and essentially net $2.50 each ($1.30 -ev imo since times you'd do this can cancel out with times your opponents do it after you try it once). Don't feed the rake.
 
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I think your math is all wrong. If you two put $100 more into the pot with a rake of 10%, you'll both lose an additional $5.00.
 
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