Instinct/Gut feelin vs math/pot odds

Does anybody else run into this situation?
You have a hand like 44, AT, suited connectors and you know you are supposed to call this particular hand, this particular spot this time. You wind up folding and you would've just stacked someone.
Maybe you are facing a bet on the river with middle pair of even AJ high. It just feels like your opponent missed all his draws and has nada, but you fold and see someone call with like 4th pair?

always! its usually always right, sometimes you just cant go with them.
I would play instinctive hands agressively as your either going to take the pot or win on showdown most times

today I was UTG with K9 off in a big satellite 8 big blinds I had this urge to push all in, and I was saying to myself this is your moment you'll qualify if you push here. if you dont you lose

Flop comes K99 was sick as I knew there it was my moment gone

I know exactly what you mean. I learned a few things playing in my first high roller event yesterday. The most important was that scared money is dead money. There's really only 2 ways to win a huge pot. A, have the best of 'the hold'em nightmare' AA vs KK or KK vs QQ and hold on for 5 cards. 2) have those suited connectors or small pair and hit the real hard. and stack that serial raiser off. The most important thing I learned is position. If you are on the button, if you are confident that you won't be 4 bet, you should always put in a 3 bet or call the 3 bet. flop comes with something nasty like 33 8. Unless someone has an over pair, they didn't hit squat and if you need to reraise them on your turn to act. Pick nice spots to do this. You can add 30% to your stack simply with position in some spots. You have to pick your spots though and use your weapon of being last to act.
Frustrate those 3 people to your left. Bet and raise on the button and the cutoff. They will pay you off when you get a bigger piece than them.

I had a hand last night J6 suited. on the button with a 3 bet in front of me. I knew i should have called. Flop comes out and gives me a double gutter ball. I know one guy has AA or KK and the other guy has TP/WK. They both go all in but there's no way i don't suck out, flush draw on the turn and straight on the river, I would've stacked them both and been chip leader for the tourney at that point
I also had another hand, 44 in the small blind. Serial 3 bettor, i knew I should have just flatted. I would have flopped a set, and stacked him off drawing dead on the turn. So sick.
The most important thing I learned last night was rule #1. Scared money is dead money. The dealer can't award you the pot if you're chips aren't in there

I think the answer you're looking for is making calls based on your gut instinct that the other person missed...well, in this case it is less of a 'guess' and a lot more of a 'read.' Your gut is telling you that based on how the other person played this hand, and their past hands, and how they would play their normal range of hands, that they missed. I'm not advocating insta-calling on this, but generally such a read is accurate if you are a decent player and have experience with your opponent. Try to assign a range to Villain based on his/her line and see how often you can beat that range as a whole....busted draws are generally pretty obvious.

track everytime you have this feeling to see if it was correct or not...you are probably forgetting all the times you were wrong

I think it should be instinct plus math, to appoint where you can't see we're one stops and the other begins. If you play long enough you probably will blend these two concepts together to appoint where you don't even realize that you have done this. It will become part of your nature.

i don't deal with math and pot odds ect... if it's online play, i play with what's given to me and how the guy is betting and make a judgement call. it's about 50/50 for me. For instance, today i called a big overbet with my measely Ace high with two pairs on the board mainly because i was already going to cash..but the guy turned out to have zilch. i would go with instincts!

At this point I have played hundreds of thousands of hands online, and several thousand live. When in doubt: Reads first, math second; NEVER unquantifiable "feelings."

I understand what the situation happens:

looks like u fold the best hand, it is a marginal hands, u don't know if u win , if u ever lose.

You see the showdown, and found you folded incorrectly and you think that is instinct, and next time, you call, and lost you feel that is instinct.

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All I want to say is that, play marginal hand is way too hard than good hand.

good player play marginal hand good, see Stu Ungar , use 7high to call a river push with ...over 40K chips in Heads up?

but , they know how to make best decisions, if not.....just want to say: I think, INSTINCT IS not a good tool for u to rely on.

what are we talking bout exactly. If you mean you have a feeling your opponent is bluffing you call the river with A high or something then sure if you are good at reading situations. But if we are talking about that feeling that your AA will get cracked and you will bubble out so you fold pf
or you have a feeling that you will hit with K9 this time so you call an utg raiser then NO we never go by gut feelings over math.

Say you have K8 in early position. Normally this is an automatic fold, no regrets. Flop comes out KK8 and obviously you are going to stack off any AK or KQ. Just a little feeling that the next flop is going to smack you in the face.
It would be hard for me to fold AA preflop. I can see a situation in which I would. I am in the BB and 3 people at my table have more chips than me, and there are 5 all ins prelfop. Only 1 of them is a short stack. Against 5 hands, AA isn't looking that good.
However, I was in a cash tournament $40 buy in several years ago. I was still new to poker and admit, i played abc poker. I'm facing a bet and a call in front of me. The bet was 4x. I was in middle position with AQ of spades. Normally, i would just snap call without giving it a 2nd thought. This particular time my instinct told me to get out the way. After about 40 seconds, i folded. Flop comes out A55 on the flop. It was 3 bet on the flop. A spade falls on the turn, is was 3 bet all in. Once the hands were flipped over it was Aces full vs quad 5s. Aces full was drawing dead since i folded the case ace.

Sometimes this gut feeling works both ways. If it were any specific read I have, I would probably go with it. Betting patterns, splashing the pot, speed of the call. I am getting better at tells but I have always been a believe of what are his chips trying to say

Instinct is great but there are still times when position, math and pot odds need
to be considered as well.

Just my 2¢

Never use instinct as a guide to preflop range... ever..

I use a combination of both, but to be clear, the instincts only come into play when reading an opponent and NOT when deciding if I should fold 26o out of position preflop. Those types of "instinct" are probably just boredom that spawned from having a bad run of cards. The reading instinct is when you sense something unusual about your opponent but you can't quite put your finger on what it is. That instinct tends to be at least somewhat correct with more experience.

I think there has to be some validity to what you are saying. Doyle Brunson wrote about having the same "feelings" in his book Super System. He seemed to think it is your subconscious mind picking up on tells, board texture,etc., that your conscious mind is overlooking. Like getting AA's cracked, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. That's why it's considered a gamble.