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Fastone2
Visionary
Silver Level
You can bet any way that you decide to bet... I have a nasty habit of going all in, when I shouldn't.... Until now, I am getting control of my wreckless playing... And I see that I have been missing lots of things by not playing slower and thinking things through... Ya, I am learning and plan to continue to learn.
wilpinsi
Legend
Silver Level
Of course, in this position you could climb higher
I do not understand why you did not get it,
The first player to the left of the dealer is the first player to receive the cards in each hand. After all cards are dealt, and all players have already acted on their hands, the player in the big blind has the option to increase. This is the only time a player can raise his own bet. Any player returning to the game, posting their blinds out of position (not in the big blind position) will have their small blind placed in the pot (considered to be "dead"), their big blind is "alive", and When the action reaches them, they have the option to increase - just as if they were in the position of the big blind.
I do not understand why you did not get it,
The first player to the left of the dealer is the first player to receive the cards in each hand. After all cards are dealt, and all players have already acted on their hands, the player in the big blind has the option to increase. This is the only time a player can raise his own bet. Any player returning to the game, posting their blinds out of position (not in the big blind position) will have their small blind placed in the pot (considered to be "dead"), their big blind is "alive", and When the action reaches them, they have the option to increase - just as if they were in the position of the big blind.
paulinhlt
Rock Star
Silver Level
In the game NL'holdem, after a raise you can go all in from any position, including the bigblind ..
If your opponents increased in the 4,5,6 position; You in BB can go all in or raise the pot even more.
Strange this statement of yours.
If your opponents increased in the 4,5,6 position; You in BB can go all in or raise the pot even more.
Strange this statement of yours.
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Samuel Kollapso
Rock Star
Silver Level
It would have to see if the game you were playing with was limit, if there is a maximum amount of raise per hand, and depending on the maximum bet is the size of the pot.
I hope your question is related to this, I could not understand it very well.
I hope your question is related to this, I could not understand it very well.
pescaofish
Academic Poker
Loyaler
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alexandro
Rock Star
Silver Level
It's not a limit table guys it's not my first rodeo playing live. I know I could of when all in but everyone at the table was against me so I call he floor which was a girl and she said I can only call I could of won me and extra 100 but I only call. Ohh and it was no limit table I don't play limit. Thanks for clearing this of my way I will have to tell that floor girl she was in the wrong when I go again.
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alexandro
Rock Star
Silver Level
The bets were 5, 12 all in then 20 all in then when it comes around I try to shove that's when they said you cannot.
P.s after hand was played and a few hands I mention I still think I could of shove and one player old man said I think you could of he was in the play he would of lost all his chips.
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alexandro
Rock Star
Silver Level
Why is it strange read second part I added maybe I am not explaining myself correctly if you have a question ask.
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Reprise
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I think you're only allowed to call here and not go all in because that $20 all in wasn't double the $12 raise. Now if he had $24 and went all in then it opens it up for another raise.
Keith_MM
Legend
Silver Level
THIS
Although i was always under the impression that you had to leave enough for shortstacks to do a valid raise otherwise it caps the betting and everyone else can only call . In this case it looks like they ruled it wrong and raise from 5 to 12 was 7 and shorties shove was from 12 to 20 which is 8 so constituted a valid raise. chances are that you've either misremebered the actual numbers as if it was 13 instead of twelve then the betting cap would be correct or the rule has been misapplied.
Keith_MM
Legend
Silver Level
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betting_in_poker
Incomplete bet or raise
If a player goes all in with a bet or raise rather than a call, another special rule comes into play. There are two options in common use: pot-limit and no-limit games usually use what is called the full bet rule, while fixed-limit and spread-limit games may use either the full bet rule or the half bet rule. The full bet rule states that if the amount of an all-in bet is less than the minimum bet, or if the amount of an all-in raise is less than the full amount of the previous raise, it does not constitute a "real" raise, and therefore does not reopen the betting action. The half bet rule states that if an all-in bet or raise is equal to or larger than half the minimum amount, it does constitute a raise and reopens the action.
For example, with the full bet rule in effect, a player opens the betting round for $20, and the next player has a total stake of $30. They may raise to $30, declaring themselves all in, but this does not constitute a "real" raise, in the following sense: if a third player now calls the $30, and the first player's turn to act comes up, they may now call the additional $10, but they do not have the right to re-raise further. The all-in player's pseudo-raise was really just a call with some extra money, and the third player's call was just a call, so the initial opener's bet was simply called by both remaining players, closing the betting round (even though they must still equalize the money by putting in the additional $10). If the half bet rule were being used, then that raise would count as a genuine raise and the first player would be entitled to re-raise if they chose to (creating a side pot for the amount of their re-raise and the third player's call, if any).
In a game with a half bet rule, a player may complete an incomplete raise, if that player still has the right to raise (in other words, if that player has not yet acted in the betting round, or has not yet acted since the last full bet or raise). The act of completing a bet or raise reopens the betting to other remaining opponents.
For example, four players are in a hand, playing with a limit betting structure and a half bet rule. The current betting round is $20. Alice checks, and Dianne checks. Carol goes all-in for $5. Joane, still to act, has the following options: fold, call $5, or complete the bet to a total of $20. If Joane calls the $5, Alice and Dianne only have the option of calling or folding; neither can raise. But if Joane completes, either of them could raise.
Incomplete bet or raise
If a player goes all in with a bet or raise rather than a call, another special rule comes into play. There are two options in common use: pot-limit and no-limit games usually use what is called the full bet rule, while fixed-limit and spread-limit games may use either the full bet rule or the half bet rule. The full bet rule states that if the amount of an all-in bet is less than the minimum bet, or if the amount of an all-in raise is less than the full amount of the previous raise, it does not constitute a "real" raise, and therefore does not reopen the betting action. The half bet rule states that if an all-in bet or raise is equal to or larger than half the minimum amount, it does constitute a raise and reopens the action.
For example, with the full bet rule in effect, a player opens the betting round for $20, and the next player has a total stake of $30. They may raise to $30, declaring themselves all in, but this does not constitute a "real" raise, in the following sense: if a third player now calls the $30, and the first player's turn to act comes up, they may now call the additional $10, but they do not have the right to re-raise further. The all-in player's pseudo-raise was really just a call with some extra money, and the third player's call was just a call, so the initial opener's bet was simply called by both remaining players, closing the betting round (even though they must still equalize the money by putting in the additional $10). If the half bet rule were being used, then that raise would count as a genuine raise and the first player would be entitled to re-raise if they chose to (creating a side pot for the amount of their re-raise and the third player's call, if any).
In a game with a half bet rule, a player may complete an incomplete raise, if that player still has the right to raise (in other words, if that player has not yet acted in the betting round, or has not yet acted since the last full bet or raise). The act of completing a bet or raise reopens the betting to other remaining opponents.
For example, four players are in a hand, playing with a limit betting structure and a half bet rule. The current betting round is $20. Alice checks, and Dianne checks. Carol goes all-in for $5. Joane, still to act, has the following options: fold, call $5, or complete the bet to a total of $20. If Joane calls the $5, Alice and Dianne only have the option of calling or folding; neither can raise. But if Joane completes, either of them could raise.
vvalente
Rock Star
Silver Level
Excellent.
And if it was not something in that context, there was an error on the table. But it is always good to question local rules and regulations while sitting at the table,
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
This action makes no sense... or at the very least you've missed out some important steps:
You're in Seat 2 in the BB. Seat 4 raises to $5, Seat 6 shoves for $12, I assume everyone else in between folds, you call the $12... then Seat 3 (who's UTG between you and Seat 4) shoves for $20? You didn't mention Seat 3 earlier, did they just limp in when they first acted? And what did Seat 4 do after Seat 3 shoved?
I'm assuming Seat 3 limped in initially, that Seat 4 (who I also assume is the player that still has money behind) just called Seat 3's subsequent push, and that any other player who's not mentioned folded at first opportunity.
Under normal rules yes, you should be allowed to shove. Seat 6 raised by $7, and then Seat 3's push raised by $8. That's a valid raise that should reopen the betting to you.
But not all poker rooms use the same rule set, which brings us to...
I hate this version of the rule.
That said, it is a rule I've seen/heard used in some rooms - mostly bar leagues and the like, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was in use elsewhere too.
If the floor is adamant that you can't raise in this spot, then this is the most likely explanation for it. It's a bad rule (I'm pretty sure it only exists in places where they think the players/dealers aren't smart enough to calculate the size of a raise, so they use the full bet size instead), but it may well be the one they use.
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alexandro
Rock Star
Silver Level
This is the breakdown
I am sit 2 with bb
Sit 3 calls
Sit 4 bets 5
Sit 6 all in for 12
Sit 8 calls
Sit 1 calls
I call
Sit 3 shoves all in for 20
Now when it comes to me after 2 people still had lots of chips I then try to shove when it got to me that's when they said you can only call. So I call floor men she said you can only call I don't really think she knew what the hell was going on. So I gave up.
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alexandro
Rock Star
Silver Level
Only reason I gave up its because it was a gamble I had pocket 55, but when the instinct saids shove it's what I did can't go wrong on the gut, so I try then I thought I know is a gamble but but I when with my instant instinct so I left it alone after floor said only call, but I was unhappy at the time, when they all shutdown my instinct gut powerful call. very strong it's where you have to go with it.
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
So we've still only got half the action: after Seat 3 shoves for 20, who calls? Seats 4, 8 and 1 are all live and due to act before it gets back to you, what did they do? How much did they have behind?
It sounds like this could have very simply been addressed by asking why you couldn't shove - I'm guessing because they use (or think they use) that horrible "double the previous bet" rule that Reprise mentioned above. If that's the case then it's a bad rule, but one they're entitled to make and enforce as long as it's consistent.
