Did I play AA correctly?

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pokerstars Game #25706802803: Tournament #144057323, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (30/60) - 2009/03/07 14:02:51 ET
Table '144057323 12' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: jhgtruck (2175 in chips)
Seat 2: asdepikas27 (2355 in chips)
Seat 3: ogawumbo (4270 in chips)
Seat 4: artie53 (4310 in chips)
Seat 5: Alsterbube (6300 in chips)
Seat 6: salami1212 (5910 in chips)
Seat 7: wayneswagon (2460 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: happyeddy111 (3610 in chips)
Seat 9: bekerel (1635 in chips)
asdepikas27: posts small blind 30
ogawumbo: posts big blind 60
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to salami1212 [As Ac]
artie53: raises 60 to 120
Alsterbube: folds
salami1212: raises 60 to 180
wayneswagon: folds
happyeddy111: raises 60 to 240
bekerel: folds
jhgtruck: folds
asdepikas27: folds
ogawumbo: folds
artie53: calls 120
salami1212: raises 180 to 420
happyeddy111: calls 180
artie53: calls 180
*** FLOP *** [Ks 5c Qs]
artie53: bets 60
salami1212: raises 120 to 180
happyeddy111: raises 540 to 720
artie53: calls 660
salami1212 said, "kks?"
salami1212 said, "kks or queens"
salami1212: folds
*** TURN *** [Ks 5c Qs] [9c]
artie53: bets 720
happyeddy111: raises 720 to 1440
artie53: calls 720
*** RIVER *** [Ks 5c Qs 9c] [4h]
artie53: checks
happyeddy111: bets 1030 and is all-in
artie53: calls 1030
*** SHOW DOWN ***
happyeddy111: shows [Jc Kc] (a pair of Kings)
artie53: shows [Qd Jd] (a pair of Queens)
happyeddy111 collected 7910 from pot
salami1212 said, "i folded aces lol"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7910 | Rake 0
Board [Ks 5c Qs 9c 4h]
Seat 1: jhgtruck (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: asdepikas27 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: ogawumbo (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: artie53 showed [Qd Jd] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 5: Alsterbube folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: salami1212 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: wayneswagon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: happyeddy111 showed [Jc Kc] and won (7910) with a pair of Kings
Seat 9: bekerel folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Its a turbo, and i dont play them much and its $2.20 buy in.

I probably should of got my chips all in at the beginning. Would you of folded it?

CHeers
 
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Since hindsight is 20-20, I probably would have gone all in as well, but without a sense of the players and their style of play, it's hard to say for certain. A pot sized bet after the flop might have sorted it out a little more clearly and put in you in a more favorable one to one situation.
 
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No offense, but I think you played the hand terribly.

With the preflop betting, I had to look up to see if this was a "Limit" tournament. Your minimum Re-raise with 6 people still to act, (plus the initial raiser), you're playing with fire as far as AA is concerned.

You are just giving the players still to act better odds to see the flop with moderate holdings. When the player Re-raises both of you, this was a 2nd chance to correct your error, but you min raised again when you should have pushed.

With two players already showing attachment to their holdings, you should have pushed hoping for at least one of the two to call knowing you have the best hand. If you push and they fold, the pot is big enough to be happy with and move on to the next hand.

Post flop you were put to a decision because of your mistakes made Preflop. You thought the fold was correct and a lot of the time, you would be right, so I have no problem with the fold even if it turned out you had the best hand as it turned out. Being able to fold Aces is important and a player just folds and doesn't tell anyone, it's no different that folding 2 7. Don't let other players know you made a big lay down because you just showed them that you can be pushed off of a big hand. It can come back to haunt you more than it will help you IMO down the road.

You put yourself in a situation where you were put to the decision. You always want to be the person forcing the other players to make the tough decisions and hopefully get them to make the errors. If you pushed PF, they have to decide what to do and the Post Flop decision becomes Null and Void as it should have been.

Just my thoughts....
 
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Both your preflop reraises were way too small and had no chance of folding out any of your opponents or getting more information about their holdings. Raising bigger preflop should have either won the pot for you right there or gotten out at least one of the other players, making your postflop decisions easier.

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to salami1212 [As Ac]
artie53: raises 60 to 120
Alsterbube: folds
salami1212: raises 60 to 180 Raise to at least 360 here
wayneswagon: folds
happyeddy111: raises 60 to 240
bekerel: folds
jhgtruck: folds
asdepikas27: folds
ogawumbo: folds
artie53: calls 120
salami1212: raises 180 to 420 Raise to at least 720 here
happyeddy111: calls 180
artie53: calls 180

I'm not sure if I agree with the possibility of shoving almost 100 BB preflop, but if you have loose opponents willing to put in a lot with marginal hands (as does happen to be the case with many $2 tournaments), it certainly wouldn't have been the worst play.
 
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I would have raised much higher pre. probably along the lines of what round cat is thinking. I would have check pushed the flop though.
 
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Pot sized reraise preflop, and pot sized bet post flop. Those chips were yours if you would have played correctly. : )
 
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In agreement with all above. Nobody played that hand well. This was a total disaster, but I think you already have a sense of this as you wouldn't be asking the question otherwise. All those silly min raises are superindicative of inexperienced low buy-in Hold'em. Aces are a great pre-flop hand but after the flop they become only a pair. First of all, you lose value by making small raises when it seems perfectly clear your opponents both would have called larger ones. Secondly, your reluctance to make a meaningful bet gave either of them the correct odds to call with virtually any 2 cards even if you had announced to the table your hand. Your initial reraise should have been more in the order of 2.5-3 times the original raise, say $180 making it about $270-$300 to go. When you were 4 bet (another silly min raise) you chose to dilly dally with another relatively small incremental raise insead of getting it all in PF where Aces have the most power. I would be very surprised if both of them had folded, but even if they had you would have won a pot worth about $750 increasing your chip stack by about 12% without having to see a flop. Never a bad thing, even with Aces.

Then there's the flop. This was a tough board to be sure, but what reason could you possibly have for thinking that you were behind? Certainly not the solid preflop action. Hands like KK, KQ, QQ are real possibilities but I think you made this laydown more out of irrational fears of what they could have then any real read. Verses experts, AA is an easy fold vs heavy fop action, but in this situation vs I can see these jokers playing the flop the same way with AK, AQ or even A5s. As it turns out it was far worse than that. In fact, I would have expected hands like KK QQ to have shoved preflop. LIKE YOU SHOULD HAVE!
 
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