How often would the very best player reach the final table?

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I've just started playing $11 entry Deep Stack tournaments on Stars.
They have around 1000 players in them.
Last night I got to 9th which is the best I have done and gave me about $110 prize, first place is about $1700.
The thing takes about 12 hours to finish though.
I was wondering how consistently the very best players can reach the final table on this.
Obviously the deeper stacks and slower rising blinds mean that the luck factor is gonna be lower and the best players will get to the end more consistently.
But how often do you think the very best player could reach the final table and not bust out earlier than that?
I really don't have an answer but would like to know.
Early on theres some terrible players players, but it gets pretty tough when theres about 100 players left.
 
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I find it tough to make it to final tables in these...just due to luck. The best poker players can get an opponent to put all their chips in with a hand in which they are dominated, but we have all been there when the pocket aces get beat...when A-10 beats AK. So, just from a statitics standpoint, I think luck plays a bigger factor than skill in tourneys with a large player pool. Thats why you dont see Phil Ivey making all the final tables at the wsop.
 
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I find it tough to make it to final tables in these...just due to luck. The best poker players can get an opponent to put all their chips in with a hand in which they are dominated, but we have all been there when the pocket aces get beat...when A-10 beats AK. So, just from a statitics standpoint, I think luck plays a bigger factor than skill in tourneys with a large player pool. Thats why you dont see Phil Ivey making all the final tables at the WSOP.

The competition is a hell of a lot tougher at the WSOP though than an $11 tournaments at Stars, where theres a lot of really bad players who throw awat their chips easily near the start.
I'm guessing the best player in one of these can probably make final table 10% or 20% of the time, but I'm just guessing.
 
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Top MTT players at Stars is about 15-18%% ITM so you figure that's about 5-8% final table appearances.

As far as WSOP. Stuey Ungar is the most consistent. I believe he entered into 5 WSOP ME's, won three of them and made the final table in '90 (didn't play after day 1 due to a cocaine overdose but had such a massive chip lead he made the final table while being blinded out).
 
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I find it tough to make it to final tables in these...just due to luck. The best poker players can get an opponent to put all their chips in with a hand in which they are dominated, but we have all been there when the pocket aces get beat...when A-10 beats AK. So, just from a statitics standpoint, I think luck plays a bigger factor than skill in tourneys with a large player pool. Thats why you dont see Phil Ivey making all the final tables at the WSOP.
I don't think luck is a bigger factor than skill. Not sure where you came up with that one:confused:
 
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i think it depends

I think this is a very good question and i think that i have mixed reviews about the answer. I think it depends on where you are playing and the size of the field so the answer is a variable more than a fact if that makes any sense to anyone. Its just normally at a local home game or casino you would normally see the best players going deep or making the final table because they got the system down, but in huge tournies with thousands or hundreds of people live nothing is guaranteed ofcourse
 
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I would say 5% would be an extremely good final table appearance. It's almost impossible to final table in a tournament with more than 1000 people more than that because of variance, no matter how good you are.

In a heads up tournament, the best player in the world would not be able to beat me more than 80% of the time (or less, depending on blind structure), if I simply went all in every hand. He'll never have an edge in the tournament larger than the edge he has when he goes all in.
 
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Deep stacks $11 buy ins i guess would be very difficult to regularly make final tables. The patients needed for one of them to go all the way is imense online and i can imagine it would be hard to hold every single time you play... So id hazzard a guess at stars, pros and great players hitting maybe 5-10% final table rate. but thats just for that tourney. Every tourney is different and like you say..no hand is unbeatable so even if a star is on his A game he is just as open to getting donked as anyone else...

Any one agree?
 
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The competition is a hell of a lot tougher at the WSOP though than an $11 tournaments at Stars, where theres a lot of really bad players who throw awat their chips easily near the start.
I'm guessing the best player in one of these can probably make final table 10% or 20% of the time, but I'm just guessing.

More like ~1% I would say. There is no way any pro could come close to 20% FT's.
 
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If you are over 3% you are exceptionally good at 1000 person mtts.
 
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I theres 1000 players in a tournaments that means as a final table has 9 people, each tournament 1% of players make the final table.
So the best players are going to be able to do it much more than 1% of the time.
I think 10% would be very reasonable for a pro.
 
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