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I built my roll up from $50 to $2,000 in the span of about 3-4 months. Then for some reason one day, I decided to put $1,000 down at $5/$10 and lost it. Then lost a full buy in at $3/$6 and lost the rest at bigger buy in MTTs. Now I just can't get that mindset to grind 5nl and get back to where I was. How do you guys get in the correct mindset to get back at it again? I appreciate your guy's input on this.

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key note #1, BRM is very important and putting half your br down on 1 table is a sure fire way to go broke. Yes it sucks, but puts you back to the bottom as you have stated.

You need to forget essentially that you went from 50 to 2k in such a short time, would imagine it wasn't through proper brm and maybe it was in which case redeposit 50 and repeat your grind to the 2k again but don't then jump to 5/10. If playing that level is your ultimate goal at some point you would want to have a 40 - 50k br for proper brm and be able to drop down in stakes if you lose a portion of the bankroll etc.

Dropping down is difficult especially if you were playing such high levels, but is necesary unless you are able to deposit 40k to correctly play at the level once again.
 
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If I lost that amount of money after having taking 4 months grind to get there, I would require a serious break from poker before I could have the correct mind set to repeat the grind. Either deposit the 2k from your bank account if you can afford it and play the correct stakes, or take a break from poker until you are no longer angry at the money you lost. Could take a while, I know it would me.
 
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take a beak for a week and refresh your mind. then sit back down and re-grind those 2/3 months and dont go on a highstakes uber bender next time
 
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I would pay more attention and take breaks when you go on tilt like that. You shouldn't get greedy like that, risking that much when you know the stakes if you lose.

I'd also try to play (buyinwise) like you did when you grinded from 50 to 2000.
 
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You have done it once you can do it again, the hardest part will probably the first few weeks. Once you are back in the groove you will be fine. Perhaps done look at your roll for a while.
 
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If you did it once you can do it again you just have to get your mind in the right place and practice proper BRM..
 
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I've been there myself several times, its tough to get motivated.

why not take a break study discipline and mindset save yourself up a bankroll if your working...
in the new year put down a few hundred quid and start a bit higher the process will be alot quicker if you got some game to bring to the table.


alternitively theirs no reason you cant hit and run to build up a bankroll at 25NL and 50NL - you just need to be disciplined and avoid a high variance game - so no taking tosses with like KA or pocket jacks and under etc

(obv theirs alot more i'd need to go into) to give a good blueprint for hit n run
 
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$50 to $2k in 3 months is pretty impressive. How the heck did you do that?
 
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wow definately dont think you went from $50 - $2k in such a short time with correct BRM, its probably why you was sat at a table with half your Bankroll, you probably got away with it a few times which made you able to jump the stakes so quickly, and for some reason, maybe greed? you decided to try and double your bankroll again

its ok to take those kind of risks if you can afford to redeposit, because then the online bankroll isnt your lifetime bankroll, but once you have built it up go back to basic BRM,
are you chasing a target like, by any chance following chris moneymakers attitude? trying to get from $50 and aiming at $10k, and if so is this the reason you decided to risk half your money?

do you believe your better then the other players?

find the reasons why you would put so much down in 1 sitting, and start your grind whilst looking into how to avoid making these mistakes again, you cant do this unless you know why you did it, and would be an interesting read as to what was going through your mind when you decided such a huge gamble when any poker player knows its a long term game, and not a get rich quick scheme
 
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At the time, I was playing mainly on Carbon. Decided to log in to my Bovada account and found random money. Guessing it was from a promo I wasn't aware of. I think I started at 25nl and just moved up when I had a like 4-5 buy ins for each level. Once I got to $1,000, I figured I better slow down and stick to 50nl. Then I took the $5/$10 shot and blew it all. So yeah, I was taking shots all the way to $1,000. Thinking about when I'm ready again, I'll play mainly MTTs. Cash games are kind of boring until 400nl+ imo.
 
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ya its ruff. ive built my roll a few times from zero or close to it to a decent roll not 2k though but then decided t jump way to high of stakes hoping for a big score t pad my bra litte quicker, well I unpadded it lol. so I would agree take a break otherwise you might just blow a bunch of money and remember what ever stakes your in sometimes your going t have days where you just hit hands nd make a grip fast but tat doesn't always happen. so don't get use to it then frusterated. gl at the tables
 
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just be careful, if cash games are boring then your not playing them right and your looking for the rush, also sounds like your trying to force action so as to keep the boredom away, i could also assume you dont like the beginning of an MTT, but like it when it becomes 20BB where the action starts to show

remember MTTs are a grind also, to do them profitably you must take the right approach "this coming from somebody who is very profitably at micro stake MTTs, and quite comfortable up to $12 never played higher then that, except once when i played a $85 which i satalighted into for $6 and went on to be the bubble boy :(

only advice i could probably offer to you as of now is "dont be a gambler, be a poker player"
 
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I'm there now it's why I joined the site. I've built bankroll up from 50-200&300. Multiple times. I just can not wrap my head around staying in micros beyond that. Also I lack patience and like to play a LAG style but often find myself playing more like an AGGRO fish about an hour in. I'm taking advice here and slamming about 200 into account then multi tabling micros for about 2months. Try and fight the urge to move up in stakes. Even though you can not make moves at micro's as often. The way I see it now is that if I can't be patient then I need to stop playing the game. I think if you focus on that you'll be fine it takes skill as well as luck to build a bankroll like that in that amount of time. So I'm sure your skilled, you just have to realize your not going to become a millionaire overnight.
 
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Lot's of great players have taken shots and gone bust, so you're in good company. Next time you do it, just ask yourself how much you're truly comfortable risking to jump up in stakes, maybe no more than 5-10% of your roll.

The problem is you can play a hand perfectly and still get drawn out on. Murphy loves a bad beat.
 
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if cash games are boring then your not playing them right and your looking for the rush

Kingmuncher, can you expound on that? I recently told a friend who is a cash game specialist that I still don't understand what's fun about cash games, especially in casinos where you can sit for hours without much good happening.

I suspect the deep thinkers enjoy them more than the rest of us.
 
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just a matter of runs .. There are good times and bad.
you have to know when to stop a bit!.
luck with that
 
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Kingmuncher, can you expound on that? I recently told a friend who is a cash game specialist that I still don't understand what's fun about cash games, especially in casinos where you can sit for hours without much good happening.

I suspect the deep thinkers enjoy them more than the rest of us.

sure i can expand on it......
Think of it like this, with cash games, your putting your minds against all opponents at the table, as the tables playing unfolds you have to pay even more attention to how your opponents are playing
In an MTT you are forced to play against a select few "you dont select" and within a few hours your forced to make moves, or make harder decisions but the game has alot more rushes

So if you enjoy the rushes, thats not always a good thing to have, but important with MTTs
and if you enjoy the deep thinking involved in cash games then obv cash is the game your going to enjoy

and by this when i open up a table, i get involved but not too agressively, watch the table for a wee while see how people act on certain boards trying to get to showdown for cheaply (in micro play this is easy enough, not so easy when you move up the stakes)
anyways, as i said i watch the table, and i even tell my girlfriend what each opponent will do. i am usually correct, i even tell her how much my opponent will raise for, how much he will re raise with, what type of hands he will do this with, and finally how i am going to get money from him

nice example of this is i helf J 7s (trash but im trying to literally see cheap flops) i flop 2 pair, opponent cbets, so i re raise to see what he does, he re raised me again, i polarize his hand and tell my gf he has either A J, or K J, so the next card i dont want to see a king or an ace, the 2 fell, he bet agressively into me again, i said when he bets the turn im all in which i did, the guy calls me and reveals his A J, and the river brings a king i win the hand and my girlfriend is left thinking how the hell did you know what he had

im a strategist by nature, so the strategy of the game is extremely enjoyable to me, and thats why i enjoy cash
at the same time i am better at MTTs, because i understand BB management and can definately see why people who want the rushes enjoy the MTT formats
 
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Whether levels below nl400 are boring and if so to what extent are subjective judgments, but there's plenty to think about at those lower levels. At one level of thinking, there's what to do on each hand you play, which can be a lot if you're capable of multi-tabling effectively. In addition, there's a further level if you haven't proven that you can beat a given stakes level consistently, which is figuring out how to do so.
 
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If I were you, I wouldn't be sweating it too much. Doesn't sound like you do this for a living or anything. At the end of the day, you lost $50 bucks. Big deal. You took some shots and gave yourself a chance to win big, only problem is, I don't think you would've stopped if you got to say 3-4k... learn some of the basics of bankroll managemen (BRM)t. If playing 10nl/5nl is boring for you, deposit 50-100 and play with it all, as long as you dont mind losing that money, but once you get to say ~500 ish, you should start slowing down like before and use proper BRM. What you did before was impressive, and even more impressive that you slowed down at 1k to play 50nl. But you definitely weren't winning enough and that made you take the 1000nl shot... next time, don't. Even moving up to 100nl would've been better, aggressive, but better.
 
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For the people saying it isn't a big deal to jump stakes like this, while it is true this person really only lost $50, they also lost all that time and run good they wasted getting to $2k. And now if they are going to try to do it again, that is more time they need to invest and they might not run good again.

It would have been better to just play a deeper Buy In Bank Roll Management Structure (if MTTs, probably at least 40 BI). Playing with 4-5 Buy Ins for MTTs is a sure fire way to go broke. This was a huge opportunity that you lost, and your strategy basically guaranteed that you would go broke. The fact is that you had $2k and now you don't.

Basically, don't try to down play this devastating loss. Learn from it and do better next time!
 
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Hey guys, I really appreciate all the feedback. Gonna take some time off from the tables and just focus on work. Once I'm hungry for poker, I'll get at it again. Gonna go the MTT route next time.
 
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Consider that mtts are fast and you could be months without profit even being a great player. The profitability in mtts is hitting great once in a while. It is a tough spot to start again, but if you feel you can do good give it a shot
 
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sure i can expand on it......
Think of it like this, with cash games, your putting your minds against all opponents at the table, as the tables playing unfolds you have to pay even more attention to how your opponents are playing
In an MTT you are forced to play against a select few "you dont select" and within a few hours your forced to make moves, or make harder decisions but the game has alot more rushes

So if you enjoy the rushes, thats not always a good thing to have, but important with MTTs
and if you enjoy the deep thinking involved in cash games then obv cash is the game your going to enjoy

and by this when i open up a table, i get involved but not too agressively, watch the table for a wee while see how people act on certain boards trying to get to showdown for cheaply (in micro play this is easy enough, not so easy when you move up the stakes)
anyways, as i said i watch the table, and i even tell my girlfriend what each opponent will do. i am usually correct, i even tell her how much my opponent will raise for, how much he will re raise with, what type of hands he will do this with, and finally how i am going to get money from him

nice example of this is i helf J 7s (trash but im trying to literally see cheap flops) i flop 2 pair, opponent cbets, so i re raise to see what he does, he re raised me again, i polarize his hand and tell my gf he has either A J, or K J, so the next card i dont want to see a king or an ace, the 2 fell, he bet agressively into me again, i said when he bets the turn im all in which i did, the guy calls me and reveals his A J, and the river brings a king i win the hand and my girlfriend is left thinking how the hell did you know what he had

im a strategist by nature, so the strategy of the game is extremely enjoyable to me, and thats why i enjoy cash
at the same time i am better at MTTs, because i understand BB management and can definately see why people who want the rushes enjoy the MTT formats

Cool, thanks for that. I can see it's an issue of fundamentals for me, and I need to get better at ranging and hand reading for starters. It's clearly not as much fun when you're floundering around without the basics in place. I know that from experience.

@op, hope you battle the br up higher than before.
 
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why, just why would anybody do this after months of "hard work" at tables?? You are gambler stop playing poker :D
 
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