How do you spot a bot

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Pretty sure I just ran into a bot. It was in a freeroll for a ticket to a 100,000 tournament.

I kinda knew that these places don't really give away free tickets to such big tournaments.

I watched the guy play afterwards, and saw him fold for smaller bets with nothing out there.

And the guy wouldn't respond to chat when I asked him questions.


If they do that for the freerolls do you think there is any chance in the actual tournament?

Should I even bother buying in with cash for the 100K tourney.
 
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It's very unlikely. Competent bots, even less so than competent players, are not going to waste their time with freerolls when there's real money to be made.

There is no single behavior that tells you an opponent is a bot, at least not a non-trivial one. Conclusively determining a bot takes an experienced eye combined with analysis of play over a number of games and a considerable period of time.

It's more likely someone was multitabling the FR along with a bunch of other games. Multitable grinders are often accused of being bots by players who don't grasp the concepts of multitabling.
 
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It's very unlikely. Competent bots, even less so than competent players, are not going to waste their time with freerolls when there's real money to be made.

There is no single behavior that tells you an opponent is a bot, at least not a non-trivial one. Conclusively determining a bot takes an experienced eye combined with analysis of play over a number of games and a considerable period of time.

It's more likely someone was multitabling the FR along with a bunch of other games. Multitable grinders are often accused of being bots by players who don't grasp the concepts of multitabling.

No offense dmorris68, but since when do bots care about time... :D
 
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I don't think it's so much about time as it is risk VS Reward.. If a player is iwlling to get busted using a bot the reward would have to be worth the risk..

Now a bot being used by a site in free rolls might be different. The site not using a bot as a way to win money but a way to make it look like more players play at the site then they actually do. Kind of like a shell bot
 
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No offense dmorris68, but since when do bots care about time... :D

Because like anything else, bots are a limited resource and must be managed by people. The goal of a non-house bot is to make money, so if you're deploying bots for profit you're not going to waste your time and resources on freerolls, you're going to be game selecting. The nature of play and size of fields in the vast majority of FR's are going to work against bot logic. The simplest bots play like total nits which generally don't get very deep, and the advanced bots' plays and player histories will be largely useless against such a field.

House bots could be different, but these days those are more rare than player bots despite what a lot of people want to believe.

A little common sense here, c'mon...
 
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Because like anything else, bots are a limited resource and must be managed by people. The goal of a non-house bot is to make money, so if you're deploying bots for profit you're not going to waste your time and resources on freerolls, you're going to be game selecting. The nature of play and size of fields in the vast majority of FR's are going to work against bot logic. The simplest bots play like total nits which generally don't get very deep, and the advanced bots' plays and player histories will be largely useless against such a field.

House bots could be different, but these days those are more rare than player bots despite what a lot of people want to believe.

A little common sense here, c'mon...

Yes, I agree with you on your points. But you failed to acknowledge that there is a possibility of site "employed" bots of which the OP is talking about. Not that I care, but common sense does dictate such possibility.
 
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Yes, I agree with you on your points. But you failed to acknowledge that there is a possibility of site "employed" bots of which the OP is talking about. Not that I care, but common sense does dictate such possibility.

I certainly did acknowledge it. That's the house bot I mentioned. Again, rarer than most people think.

The vast majority of opponents that the vast majority of people *think* are bots, are not bots at all. Among those that are actually bots, the vast majority are likely to be for-profit bots operated by players, not the sites themselves.

In the early days of online poker, it was common industry practice to employ both house (prop) players and house bots to fill seats and start games. Prop players are actually still used at some rooms, which are basically just 100% RB players but they play with their own funds. After the online poker boom and more widespread scrutiny of online practices, the industry moved away from things like employing bots, allowing multiaccounting, datamining, etc. In the early days they didn't care much about those things. Now they know in the scandal-weary and security-conscious environment of today that they can't be found to be doing things the public would consider "shady." This is the same business argument against rigging.

That's not to say there are ZERO house bots out there, just that the vast majority of sites will be averse to doing so. Some of the smaller, struggling site, maybe. iPoker has a reputation for being a haven for bots, but I think more for turning a blind eye (or else gross incompetence) towards player bots than actually employing bots themselves.

And finally, I repeat: it really isn't anything to concern yourselves over. Bots can't see your hole cards, they're just using AI to make the same decisions that a genius poker player would make, it doesn't mean they'll win 100% of the time. And whether it's a good bot or a good reg, you should be avoiding them unless you can exploit them. And there are far far fewer bots than there are good regs. If there is ample evidence to show an actual bot, turn it over to the security department and let them investigate and ban it. It'll just pop up under another account of course, but there really isn't much else you can do nor reason to expend much anguish over it.
 
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If Im playing at 4 or more tables and someone thinks I'm a bot, I will never know it, When grinding cash tables or multiple MTTs I leave the player chat disabled, I dont have time to chat and keep up with everything else too.
 
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I love playing against bots easy money.
 
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forums are full of stories about bots, i dont want to believe that using bots is common thing and i rather want to think that is separate case.
but when you consider amount of the money in the circle my opinion dont stand
 
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im not sure you guys realise what can be done with bots these days there was one robot which was made to take on the worlds best at heads up play it beat many of the worlds best a few managed to beat it but it definitely proved bots can be very sophisticated. if it was just doing an abc thing it would have lost vast majority of the time. bots can be programed for variance and etc
 
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I think a bot is like a robot, I mean a program that plays in our place. According say i poker network in many bot, generally play a poker abc because they are programmed and so many tables
The issue is that the bot should not be allowed to program a bot that knows all of icm is the same as playing poker with resourtes program (or something called) open, which is not allowed
 
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The bot is a program (automatic) that is programmed to do certain functions, good boatman always seem to tell anyone who always plays all in every hand (fish) so that must be why you say bot.
 
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Theres usually a bot on every table.

Imagine having a final table with more bots than people; you would have much less to pay out :)
 
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im not sure you guys realise what can be done with bots these days there was one robot which was made to take on the worlds best at heads up play it beat many of the worlds best a few managed to beat it but it definitely proved bots can be very sophisticated. if it was just doing an abc thing it would have lost vast majority of the time. bots can be programed for variance and etc
That wasn't a bot as we know it. It was an interactive poker HU game written as University research program. And if it's the one I'm thinking of, it wasn't NLHE, it was Limit which has long been understood to be solved.

The bots we're talking about that play on poker sites are not that sophisticated, but the best are certainly sophisticated enough to beat most casual players.

Theres usually a bot on every table.

Imagine having a final table with more bots than people; you would have much less to pay out :)

Ummm, no there isn't. :rolleyes:

Looks like maybe we have a new rigtard among us...
 
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And the guy wouldn't respond to chat when I asked him questions.


Oh right there we have it then, he must be a bot, because everybody should be using the chat box.

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Its a bot, the donks got lucky, my aces always lose, the cards are too pointy. zzzzzzzzzzzz
 
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Can someone please explain to me why ANYONE cares about bots at all? If you don't think you're good enough to handle a standard bot then you shouldn't be playing poker online. I know that I will crush a standard bot, so I don't worry about them at all.

End of story.


-HooDooKoo
 
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think you need a very large sample size to really identify a bot
 
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think you need a very large sample size to really identify a bot
Don't know about "very" large, but certainly a statistically significant sample. You can never really tell just playing a session with one, as some folks seem to believe. Again, people who don't understand the concept of multi-tabling, disabling chat, etc. don't seem to get that many players play a very bot-like style.
 
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In quarter poker . com they have tier own bots just to get the atmosphere to feel full. Also If you go in any freeroll it feels like 90% of the field is an all-in
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