How do you play tens and jacks?

Just recently I have been knocked out of two tournaments playing these mid pairs. firstly tens I reraised preflop hoping he'd fold, he did'nt and caught a Q on the turn to make a pair of Q's. Secondly, I limped with Jacks in EP caught a raiser all in and called he had AKo and caught his ace on the river. Now I don't know what to do with these hands because whatever I do they get beat. In fact if there is a raiser I'm thinking of mucking these hands as they are so vunerable on the flop, I've played them all different ways but none of them hold up...I need advice boys and girls because the jacks got me beat on the final table I know its risky limping with them but I'm a preflop favourite to anything but the top 3 hands but even if I'd have raised I'd have still got beat I don't know what to do with anymore

Well j's and 10's are tricky cards.
Sounds to me like you played them right but just got sucked out on.
Giving the information in the post.
Also need to know what kind of table image you were representing atm.
Also your chip stack compared to others at the table.
How big your raises were.

W00t, another JJ thread.

c9h13no3 said:

W00t, another JJ thread.

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You were once a newb too. Still the OP needs to rephrase their question, because it sounds like they are looking for a full proof way to play 1010 or JJ. Sorry buddy you aren't going to find that answer here. The great thing about poker is that every hand is different. With each shuffle of the cards the world as a card player knows it is reset. The 1010 vs AK hand is just a classic tournament coin flip that either puts you on the rail, or gets you in position to make a run deep into a tournament. You'll run into more than your fair share of these if you find yourself hanging around the late stages of MTT's. As for 1010 vs AQ or whatever he had, I would like to hear how you played that hand. Sounds like to me you may have checked the flop allowing the guy to suckout on you. If that is the case the finger needs to be pointed at you and only you.

cracksniper said:

Just recently I have been knocked out of two tournaments playing these mid pairs. firstly tens I reraised preflop hoping he'd fold, he did'nt and caught a Q on the turn to make a pair of Q's. Secondly, I limped with Jacks in EP caught a raiser all in and called he had AKo and caught his ace on the river. Now I don't know what to do with these hands because whatever I do they get beat. In fact if there is a raiser I'm thinking of mucking these hands as they are so vunerable on the flop, I've played them all different ways but none of them hold up...I need advice boys and girls because the jacks got me beat on the final table I know its risky limping with them but I'm a preflop favourite to anything but the top 3 hands but even if I'd have raised I'd have still got beat I don't know what to do with anymore

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With pocket pair 10 I call increase on a set, and with pocket pair J play dependences on a position in a kotra there was an increase. Increase from an early position call on a set, increase with average and late positions itself once again I raise.

it depends on if im in a cash game or tourney, position and how the action is going.. in early position against a loose player to follow i tend to be a bit careful, as there likey to call a raise with any ace, so i tend to 2 or 3 BB raise. in later position if there's a raise i tend to call and see a flop as he's likely to have a better hand pre flop...if no raise then i get get agressive raising 4BB...

BKonnak said:

With pocket pair 10 I call increase on a set, and with pocket pair J play dependences on a position in a kotra there was an increase. Increase from an early position call on a set, increase with average and late positions itself once again I raise.

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QFT!

Def. some good advice in the replies for ya. I agree with needing to know more about how u played these hands.. and so much comes into play here as far as how to play these hands pre and post flop, such as table image and reads, etc. I would have to say, like most hands, u play according to ur feel, table image and reads.
GL

Good Luck playing 10 10 or JJ.
In my opinion there is no right way to always play this hand.

You have to recognize if you are WAH or WBH.
Everything is Situational.
If it feels right play it strong preflop.
If the Flop comes Over Cards your pockets may be WBH.
If not you may be WAH.
A set hits and you could make a huge profit.
Decisions must be made depending on the read of the situation.
Call / Bet / Raise according to your read.


Good Luck

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mdafka said:

Def. some good advice in the replies for ya. I agree with needing to know more about how u played these hands.. and so much comes into play here as far as how to play these hands pre and post flop, such as table image and reads, etc. I would have to say, like most hands, u play according to ur feel, table image and reads.
GL

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The tens I reraised post flop from his EP 2000 to 4000 he called flop came with undercards to my tens I went AI he called with AQo and hit his Q on turn. Jacks I limped in EP on final table short stacked got a calller AI on SB with around 8000 and AK I called he hit his ace on the river.

Generally speaking -

Preflop -
Raise. If a reraise comes than you might want to call or re-raise again. depends on the situation.
Flop -
Any aces, kings or queens - You're screwed. Assume opponent will probably hit his card. It's a tight spot. Sometimes it's possible to go on with a bluff or assume your opponent missed the flop or is afraid of you.
If you get low cards on the flop make a substantial raise to avoid being drawn.
Just... Do what makes sense at the time I guess.
The basic rule of thumb is that if you're not setting a trap, you are probably walking into one.

Wolfpack43ACC said:

You were once a newb too. Still the OP needs to rephrase their question, because it sounds like they are looking for a full proof way to play 1010 or JJ. Sorry buddy you aren't going to find that answer here. The great thing about poker is that every hand is different. With each shuffle of the cards the world as a card player knows it is reset. The 1010 vs AK hand is just a classic tournament coin flip that either puts you on the rail, or gets you in position to make a run deep into a tournament. You'll run into more than your fair share of these if you find yourself hanging around the late stages of MTT's. As for 1010 vs AQ or whatever he had, I would like to hear how you played that hand. Sounds like to me you may have checked the flop allowing the guy to suckout on you. If that is the case the finger needs to be pointed at you and only you.

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Thanks wolfpack... the tens I raised in LP to 4000 after a raise of 2000 in EP. The flop came with undercards to my tens, I led out and went AI for the remainder of my chips totalling 4000, villain called with AQo and hit his Q on the turn.
The jacks I slowplayed for the first time ever from EP with a limp, I was on the FT and the blinds were 300-600, got an AI caller on SB I called and he showed AKo, and hit his A on the river. I know slow playing jacks is risky but I was a bit short stacked and if I'd have doubled I would have probably made the big money...Thanks for all your help, the sniper

Roller said:

Good Luck playing 10 10 or JJ.
In my opinion there is no right way to always play this hand.

You have to recognize if you are WAH or WBH.
Everything is Situational.
If it feels right play it strong preflop.
If the Flop comes Over Cards your pockets may be WBH.
If not you may be WAH.
A set hits and you could make a huge profit.
Decisions must be made depending on the read of the situation.
Call / Bet / Raise according to your read.

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^ ^ ^ this, +1. There is NO one sure way.

FOLD!

Just by playing them if they are not in your bb has to ask a question of why? unless you are up on chips well enough to play them like aces then don't play them. Think about how many hands that can beat them.

I've been raising 3x and getting killed. Depending on table conditions, I plan to play them very cautiously. I've lost to K and a rag twice this week. Both times I thought I raised enough to scare off the lotto players, and got burned. Folding is hard to do pre-flop, but it makes sense if you're on the bubble. I hope you find something that works and share it...

ya 10's and J's, almost would prefer small suited connecters lol.
nah seriously, it depends with me. sometimes i'm aggressive and sometimes i limp. it depends upon my table image and the table in general.
but there are times when i get tham that i almost wish i hadn't.
good luck with your 10's and J's peace.

They are tough for me to decide how to play them. My guess would be, if you are short stacked and or are near the bubble, try to limp and catch a set. If not, raise 3 or 4 bb to try and get some info and get a few people out preflop. I made a huge mistake yesterday in a dollar tournament by limping with pkt JJ in the third hand of the tournament. I was on the button, one middle caller, a late position caller, myself on the button and the big and small blind. Flop comes 444, everybody checks, I pot raised figuring to get reraised if some one had the other 4. Everybody folds except the guy in middle position, he just calls. I got out 3 people but I still don't really have any info on the one left. Turn comes a 3, middle position checks and I pot raise again, he calls, now I'm thinking wtf. I doubt he had a bigger pkt pair of he probably would of raised preflop. I'm not thinking he has the 4 or he would of reraised me by now. The river comes and it's another rag, so I didn't have to worry about someone pairing an A K or Q. I push all in, the guy calls and has 3 4 diamonds, was I ever the HUGE sucker. My point is, if I would of raised preflop, he probably would of folded his 3 4 in middle position and I would of won the pot. Maybe not, but I think my chances would of been better.

How about shoving all in pre-flop and taking your chances, hoping eveybody folds, and if not, you are at least a slight favorite unless someone has a higher pocket pair, which is very unlikely.

I hate shoving preflop with any pair, it's still a coin flip. And the people that consistantly do are very annoying.

I agree with most of what has been posted here. It really depends on the situation, table position, stack size, etc. If I'm opening the pot I would definitely raise 3-4 xBB, but wouldn't mind seeing a cheap flop in late position either. Ideally, I'd be hoping to flop a set and see no big cards on the board. I'd be weary of to many people in the pot as well.

pr tens is what knocked me out of yesterdays carbon he had a pair of 8s against pocket tens and a 3rd 8 ends the tournament finished 7th they are pretty tough to play but do you fold dont think so its a game u just got to play what u have if the situation is rite i would of played my tens the same way .

This is in the wrong forum and the question has no clear cut asnswer as asked so will just close this.