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Below is top comments of this video. ITS A MUST SEE. look at what happens and please share your thoughts, cause i cant explain this.
go to 37:20

At 37:20, cannon has 2h2c, and then turns a set with 2c... !!!
What the heck ?
So basically the dealer deals on the turn the same card that the loose cannon is holding during the hand. If that aint wierd, i dont know what is.:eek: :confused:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZY4igRSJN4
 
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Fouled deck/dealer error.

It happens sometimes. Player objections (if any) would be edited out of the show.
 
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Fouled deck/dealer error.

It happens sometimes. Player objections (if any) would be edited out of the show.
fouled deck? u mean the deck had an extra 2c?
 
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Yea, prob a dealer error.

Could be an editing error, could be tons of things. Would be wayy more serious if this happened online.
 
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Yea, prob a dealer error.

Could be an editing error, could be tons of things. Would be wayy more serious if this happened online.
yea, totally. i just saw this a few mins ago and i thought it was just wierd cause i dont think ive ever seen anything like that happen again. esp on tv.

It is kinda strange though right?
 
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yea, totally. i just saw this a few mins ago and i thought it was just wierd cause i dont think ive ever seen anything like that happen again. esp on tv.

It is kinda strange though right?
It's unusual but it probably happens much more often than you think.
 
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Note that the 2c isn't dealt as part of the live hand - it's the players rabbit hunting after the Cannon folded on the flop, so the deck stub has been mixed with the mucked cards (including the Cannon's cards). The dealer is probably just guessing where the "correct" cards were supposed to be.

You could call it a dealer mistake, I guess, but we're talking about rabbit hunting here so she probably wasn't paying a great deal of attention. It's not like it affected the hand or anything.

As for something like this happening as part of a live hand, it's certainly possible - misprints happen in decks from time to time, which is why you should always check a deck before using it. In a casino, any time a new deck is brought into play the dealer will check it (and often they'll have a supervisor confirm that check too) to ensure it's correct, so issues like this one should be very rare in a casino game. If it were to happen though, the following rules apply (from Robert's Rules of Poker):

4. If two cards of the same rank and suit are found, all action is void, and all chips in the pot are returned to the players who wagered them (subject to next rule).

5. A player who knows the deck is defective has an obligation to point this out. If such a player instead tries to win a pot by taking aggressive action (trying for a freeroll), the player may lose the right to a refund, and the chips may be required to stay in the pot for the next deal.

And as far as seeing something like this on TV, I think I can remember one similar incident (can't remember what show it was on) but it turned out to be an editing error - they either showed hole cards from a previous hand, or misreported the contents of a mucked hand in the on-screen graphics (said one card was 7c when it was actually 7s or something).
 
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Still yet, he should of asked for the cards to be counted and see the hole deck turned up. That's what I would have done. If there was an issue with the cards each player should have gotten their chips back.
 
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Oz the hand you are thinking of was on "The Big Game" or "Poker After Dark"
 
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Still yet, he should of asked for the cards to be counted and see the hole deck turned up. That's what I would have done. If there was an issue with the cards each player should have gotten their chips back.

Chances are they'd turn the entire deck over, find out that there was no problem with the deck, the pot would stand as is, and all that would have happened is that the Cannon would've given away free information that one of the cards he was holding in the hand was the 2c.

I haven't watched the entire episode, but I suspect that probably would've been a bad move on the Cannon's part.

When you see how the hand plays out, it's almost certain that it's the dealer just turning over his mucked card. Since it makes no difference to anything, most dealers won't be too concerned with being accurate on a rabbit hunt.
 
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Chances are they'd turn the entire deck over, find out that there was no problem with the deck, the pot would stand as is, and all that would have happened is that the Cannon would've given away free information that one of the cards he was holding in the hand was the 2c.

I haven't watched the entire episode, but I suspect that probably would've been a bad move on the Cannon's part.

When you see how the hand plays out, it's almost certain that it's the dealer just turning over his mucked card. Since it makes no difference to anything, most dealers won't be too concerned with being accurate on a rabbit hunt.

this has got to be the most probable explanation. I have never played live so i have no idea as to how formal things are in the casino.

But to me, an online guy, this was just wierd. Definitely probably a dealer mistake but definitely worth the watch. was watching the video and then i read top comments and i was like HUH? really?
 
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It does look like the dealer had swept his two ducks back in, as well as the rest of the mucked cards. When Jennifer calls for the rabbit hunt, it kind of looks like the dealer hesitates as she tries to figure out where the top card would have been.
 
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It does look like the dealer had swept his two ducks back in, as well as the rest of the mucked cards. When Jennifer calls for the rabbit hunt, it kind of looks like the dealer hesitates as she tries to figure out where the top card would have been.

Yes. I agree.

Although there are times where I do not believe the hole cards are accurate just for the sake of TV drama.

Oh he would have hit a set! That was just for TV, if it was a blank they probably would have edited out the rabbit hunt.
 
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Yea, it was just that the dealer used the cannons mucked cards but for as far as them not making the hole cards accurate is probably NOT true... you don't see every hand they play for tv purposes but they don't switch the hole cards they just don't have any reason to do it..
 
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I used to play in a private tournament. We would start with 2-3 tables. They had a bunch of Copag decks (love those decks). About one hour into the night, a player limped with :as4::qh4:. It wasn't me!

Anyway, the flop comes :qd4::qc4::qh4:

The player shoved all-in (not a massive over-bet thanks to short stacks). He was pissed when he turned over his hand and the whole table realized that it was a fouled deck. Chips were returned to the people who had entered the pot, deck was counted down and made correct, and play continued. The hand didn't count for the high-hand jackpot, which is why the guy was really pissed. [They made sure all the other decks in play were correct, too.]

Thing was, they had multiple decks (two colors at each table) to speed up the game. The previous week, they must have mixed up the decks from two different tables (but with the same color) and left an extra Queen in one of the decks.

It happens. But, in the video, looks like it was his discards that ended up being shown when rabbit hunting.
 
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Yea I believe she mixed the mucked cards up and was not paying attention.
 
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Id be pretty pissed to get something good and encounter a fouled deck lol
 
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Watching the video its pretty clearly not a fouled deck.
His mucked cards just got stacked on top of the deck before the rabbit.
(but strange it made the edit in to the show and the commentary didn't notice it was wrong).
 
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Watching the video its pretty clearly not a fouled deck.
His mucked cards just got stacked on top of the deck before the rabbit.
(but strange it made the edit in to the show and the commentary didn't notice it was wrong).

That's because they're not as sharp as us.
 
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the hand is over, she pushes the pot and begins to shuffle. you can see her take the mucked cards and place them on the spread deck to begin a wash. this is what her job is.

she hasn't made a mistake or any error and its not because she is not paying attention.
someone has asked for a rabbit hunt and she has turned over any 2 cards because the rabbit hunt is 100% irrelevant.
 
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I agree that it was a dealer error in the rabbit hunt, she obviously picked up the mucked card instead of the next card to be dealt after the burn card.

However, it is not unheard of for players to try pulling a fast one by stealing an ace or king from one deck on one night, to then slip it in when needed the next night. Of course, getting it back out is a major pain, I would imagine.

(Ok, I cannot resist...that's what she said!)
 
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I think the table passes an error dealer!
But Online would be a mess!
 
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It is a mistake.
err
may be poker card factory....print one more 2c... :p
may be dealer mis shuffle the deck....:p

so 100% for sure , not players' mistake.:D
 
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loose cannon fold his hand and dealere took his cards away.so tilly asked for a rabbit hand and the dealer didt mess the cards thats why the 2 of clubs shows
 
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Yeah I would also say that dealer mixed up the mucked cards. ;)
 
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