How do they do it.

Hi guys,

I would like to ask you. How do they do, that if you watching poker on youtube or on the TV, you can see the size of the stack of every player, every player cards, size of every bet? Do they have any sensor in all chips? Does casino have any sensor in all chips to know, how much chips is in the game?


Thak you for your answers.


Have a nice day.

I have no idea.
And for me it does not matter.
It's better to read something useful for the game.

well it's all pre taped so anyone working can just do the math after. really not super complicated

A lot of card rooms that televise their games use RFID technology to keep track of stack sizes and the cards dealt.

There are sensors at each position on the table built into the table itself. While the chips remain about the same size, the cards with RFID implants are generally noticeably thicker and the cardrooms ask that you take a little more care when peeling when they're in use. Think of it sort of like "touchless payments" at supermarket checkouts. Same sort of thing just used differently.

Hole card cameras are more of a production quality thing for games that have rfid or, for coverage that doesn't have the funds to implement rfid.

A lot of casinos in general use rfid chips to ensure they're not counterfeit and to also see where their chips are on the floor. They can use that information to help with floor design, try to max out spending etc.

Honestly do not know and was not interested,like not live in the stone age,technology...

I do not know. I only watch handouts and how they win, it's better for me to learn a lot of other materials so I can play better and win the game!

Thank you, for your answer. Its really helped me.

The dealer counts the chips before each hand in the ollie-in! but everywhere cameras are watching that people would not have put chips on their stack!

JAAMEZz said:

well it's all pre taped so anyone working can just do the math after. really not super complicated

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This^ is the obvious answer

gabethegimp said:

A lot of card rooms that televise their games use RFID technology to keep track of stack sizes and the cards dealt.

There are sensors at each position on the table built into the table itself. While the chips remain about the same size, the cards with RFID implants are generally noticeably thicker and the cardrooms ask that you take a little more care when peeling when they're in use. Think of it sort of like "touchless payments" at supermarket checkouts. Same sort of thing just used differently.

Hole card cameras are more of a production quality thing for games that have rfid or, for coverage that doesn't have the funds to implement rfid.

A lot of casinos in general use rfid chips to ensure they're not counterfeit and to also see where their chips are on the floor. They can use that information to help with floor design, try to max out spending etc.

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This^ is not accurate as far as I know. Which rooms have RFID cards? I don't know of any among the big rooms that host the major series. This is why you will occasionally see a hand run without knowing one player's hole cards, or the dealer will get a message to instruct a player to show their cards to the hole cam. RFID cards may be used in small, televised high stakes cash games, but the cost for a multi thousand runner tourney would be prohibitive, not to mention the risk of cheating. As for RFID chips, yes, the large denomination cash chips (>$1K) of many casinos are RFID enabled. Again, the cost of RFID enabling all the chips used in a tourney would be prohibitive.

mtl mile end said:

This^ is the obvious answer




This^ is not accurate as far as I know. Which rooms have RFID cards? I don't know of any among the big rooms that host the major series. This is why you will occasionally see a hand run without knowing one player's hole cards, or the dealer will get a message to instruct a player to show their cards to the hole cam. RFID cards may be used in small, televised high stakes cash games, but the cost for a multi thousand runner tourney would be prohibitive, not to mention the risk of cheating. As for RFID chips, yes, the large denomination cash chips (>$1K) of many casinos are RFID enabled. Again, the cost of RFID enabling all the chips used in a tourney would be prohibitive.

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I can't remember which televised mtt it was but I'm sure it was either an EPT or wsop and there was a conversation between Seidel and another player at the torny about them using the tech for chips and cards. And I've also personally played in an mtt in Aus where they used the tech and that torny was 500 deep. So yeah... And I also stated that events that can't afford to implement rfid the hole cams are still used.

What I do agree with in multi-thousand deep mtt's i doubt they would use the tech. That's a lot of tables to cover the costs of.

If it is covered with cameras, then they can see everything, because they watch closely the games.

wow

Some very interesting reveals in this thread I would never have guessed they place chips into the chips to ensure they are not counterfeit.

I will give up designing my Poker chip production line with this new information. lol

Damn!

Hi.
I think, that on each table is electronic counting of chips.
And if there are any differences in the calculations, then it is obvious.
Good luck.

I thought that the way they place the columns of their stacks are because it is easier for the players and the dealers to calculate them. If they know how much each columns values then it would be super easy to count

If you have noticed many times they ask fr the dealers to count the opponents stack. But the RFID . televised answers are also rational for me

i Know how it works but i dont know how to explain it in english))) if you realy interesting i can tell it in russian)

I know that many casinos use sensors in their chips to prevent counterfeit but as far as the cards, it's been well explained. I wonder what would happen if you took home chips (which you can) and then the casino changed their chips before you could come back to that particular casino.

Anyone have any experience in this?

Movebacke16 said:

i Know how it works but i dont know how to explain it in english))) if you realy interesting i can tell it in russian)

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Hi,

please, can you explain it in Russian for me? My good friend will translate it to me.

OK, when some casinos can count the chips with RFID. Why any player couldn't have a screen before, where every player could see how much many every player have and how much is in the pot. It good made the game faster and do the better decision.

What do you think?

willko01000 said:

Some very interesting reveals in this thread I would never have guessed they place chips into the poker chips to ensure they are not counterfeit.

I will give up designing my Poker chip production line with this new information. lol

Damn!

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Poker chips do not use RFID technology to prevent counterfeiting. Usually, it is a matter of having an ultraviolet sensitive dot on the inlay of each chip. This is how Paulson (a large chip manufacturer) does it. Every inlaid chip that they produce for a casino has a UV dot on it. When they still produced chips for the home market, they were using different mold patterns for home/commercial markets, some spot patterns were available only to casinos, and every casino inlay had the dot - no home chips had it.

As I look at a chip from my local cardroom (Playground Poker Club), I see it does not have a UV dot on it. This is a chip made by Matsui (I think). This chip may not be UV marked because it is only a $1 chip. More likely, since Matsui chips are vinyl, they probably rely on the impossibility (or high improbability) of counterfeiting the actual chip in any believable fashion.

I'm not up on all the latest chip security features, but RFID is used to track the movements of large denomination cash chips. When a casino in Las Vegas was robbed a few years ago, I believe that the cops were able to track the thieves with the help of the RFID technology.