How Come Online Heroes Are Live Zeroes?

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Hey Everyone,

So I have looked around on several sites that give you the stats of online players, regarding their cash game wins, and tournament wins as well... and it seems that the big tournament winners online... aren't hacking it in the real world... Maybe they aren't that great after all, just super-lucky-donks...

Lets take for instance...

Chris Moorman (Moorman1) pokerstars

He has won over $1 Million in tournaments online, on PokerStars... but hasn't won a single tournament in live games...

Or take the ever popular...

Randy Lew (nanonoko) PokerStars

He is killing it at online cash games, but hasn't done the same in the real live games... or done that well in live tournaments as well...
 
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Randy 'MF' Lew is my idol. He can body in my MVC2 so fast...

And yeah, grinding 1.8 Million while 24 tabling 6 max = lucky donk...

Anyway online =/= live play.

Lets take online MTT vs live MTT. In the time it takes you play one live MTT, you can play 10x-100x the number of MTTs online. So, you have a better chance to do well online. Variance is still a big part of MTTs and to win one live takes a lot of skill and luck. The same goes for online, but if you can play 100's in the same amount of time, you better your chances of doing well.

Cash games, same things. You play 1 table live or any where from 1-24+ tables online. So, you get more hands and (if you're good) more money. So, maybe you only play 20 hands live in an hour, you might be able to play 60 hands an hour online x 24 tables= 1440 hands online.
 
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Hey Everyone,

So I have looked around on several sites that give you the stats of online players, regarding their cash game wins, and tournament wins as well... and it seems that the big tournament winners online... aren't hacking it in the real world... Maybe they aren't that great after all, just super-lucky-donks...

Lets take for instance...

Chris Moorman (Moorman1) Pokerstars

He has won over $1 Million in tournaments online, on PokerStars... but hasn't won a single tournament in live games...

Or take the ever popular...

Randy Lew (nanonoko) PokerStars

He is killing it at online cash games, but hasn't done the same in the real live games... or done that well in live tournaments as well...
Biggest understatement ever
 
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1) some people are not of age

2) some people prefer online

3) what philthy said
 
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Plus how would you know what someone did in live cash games unless you were in the game or if it was hsp or something?????????
 
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What Marginal said - live cash game reporting is pretty much non-existent so I dunno where you'd be getting figures from unless the players are accurately reporting them themselves.
 
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Its also cause they make way more money online then they would if they were playing 1 table live.

Its all about winrate/hour and stakes they play.
Here's a good interview with Randy Lew about win/rates and level of stakes (its long)
http://www.pokerstatic.com/static-tv/featured/grilled-fish-episode-1/

Plus Randy Lew doesnt play super highstakes cash games regularly live or online. He doesnt gets alot of TV time, but that doesnt mean he's a bad player live.

If anything the lucky donks are the ones making names for themselves winning one tournament like wsop. eg Duhammel, Cada, Darvin Moon, Jamie Gold.
People who consistently make money like Randy Lew are not super lucky donks by any means.
 
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Ask any big poker pro that youve been watching and they all talk about how much harder the game is due to these internet kids. They see so many more hands and a much earlier age.

To say these online phenoms are just lucky is probably right. You should sell your house or car and deposit 50K and sit across from Durrrr, nanonoko or LeatherA$$. Im sure you will fare well.
 
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How come nobody has mentioned tells? Some people, I'm sure, play a lot better online because their blatant tells don't show. I saw that Barry Greenstein suckout against Durrrrr on Poker After Dark. The Moment Durrrrr saw his pocket aces, he was shaking, hyperventilating, looking around suspiciously; the kid is born for online. He's got no poker face.

And nc_royals, I highly doubt they are just lucky. Take craps, for example. Nobody can make a living on it. They can have a great year, but it always goes downhill. If people are making a consistent living, skill factors into it. I'm not saying all of them are great players, just good enough to get the money.
 
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How come live heroes are online zeroes?

Did I just blow your mind?
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Normally the people they become very successful online players don't try to play a lot live, why would they? They found success playing online, they can play in the same high stakes games online that they could live and they can play on there own schedule.
 
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And nc_royals, I highly doubt they are just lucky. Take craps, for example. Nobody can make a living on it. They can have a great year, but it always goes downhill. If people are making a consistent living, skill factors into it. I'm not saying all of them are great players, just good enough to get the money.

I'm pretty sure nc_royals was being sarcastic. Dwan, Randy Lew and Leatherass are great players not "just good enough to get the money". Most of the people here are aware of the skill element in the game. :)
 
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Lol. OP is so confused and misinformed.
 
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This is like the whole "is Durrr a lucky donk?" debate.

The guy has made millions playing NLHE and still people are unsure.
 
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maybe they get bored with the slow pace

i know after 4 tabling rush poker it was hard to switch to regular tables without falling asleep
 
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If you have your workplace arranged in the way that lets you maximize income, why would you waste your time entering live tournaments? Makes about as much sense as going out in the snow to play a football game vs playing in an indoor stadium.

I have heard of indoor and outdoor track also. Lots of times, it is not the same competitors. Each athlete has their own skill set, so it appears these online individuals use the skills they have to their maximum advantage and maybe play live tournaments to break up the boredom or when it is a convenience.
 
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that is defenitely different thing.and they dont need to win in real world in order to prove something.
 
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I'm pretty sure nc_royals was being sarcastic. Dwan, Randy Lew and Leatherass are great players not "just good enough to get the money". Most of the people here are aware of the skill element in the game. :)

You know, the funny thing is, now I read it that way, I can't see why I didn't read that as sarcastic! I guess tone just doesn't come across well on text.

I don't really know much about the players themselves, but I suppose when you factor in how much money we're talking about, "good enough to get the money" may be ungodly good.
 
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there are a lot of online stars that do very well in live events, they just sometimes go under the radar because their last name isn't negraneau or hellmuth. sorel mizzi (Imper1um) is currently leading the bluff player of the year race for live events which means an internet guy is this years best live tourny player. currently in 2nd is thomas marchese (kingsofcards) who crushed online ring to make his name before going live. rounding out the top 3 is david peters (Davidp18) who is 21 and just started playing live games. in my opinion it looks like the internet players are the best live players.
 
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Gday Liza

Yes it would seem as though some of the best on-line players in the world are just that, "on-line players".

I believe that within the world of live poker, a players presence on the table means a so lot more than it does with on-line poker. In that I mean the way they go about there game, facial expressions and the like.

So in all hindsight, you can see why these players are more profitable on the on-line circuit.

I myself, still have a long way to go when it comes to the "POKER FACE", and that is about all that is missing from my game.

:rolleyes:
 
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You must also remember that maybe these onlinestars play like at least 30 tournaments a day, and maybe only like 10 live tournaments during a year.
 
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Hey Everyone,

So I have looked around on several sites that give you the stats of online players, regarding their cash game wins, and tournament wins as well... and it seems that the big tournament winners online... aren't hacking it in the real world... Maybe they aren't that great after all, just super-lucky-donks...

Lets take for instance...

Chris Moorman (Moorman1) Pokerstars

He has won over $1 Million in tournaments online, on PokerStars... but hasn't won a single tournament in live games...

Or take the ever popular...

Randy Lew (nanonoko) PokerStars

He is killing it at online cash games, but hasn't done the same in the real live games... or done that well in live tournaments as well...

You've given ONE example of an online MTT player. Your assumption is wayyyy off. There are TONS of online MTT players who are just killing it in Live Events. So many that I couldnt' begin to list them all. Even just some of the recent big MTT events (ie. WPT.. won by an online reg.). Kevin MacPhee took down the EPT.
Just look at the WSOP events this year.. soooooooo manyyyyyyy regs. from the online MTT's.
How about listen to what the well-known pros are saying > Doyle, Phil(s), Negreanu... they all say the newer online MTT pros are great players.

OP.. might want to get your facts in order cuz you're way off the mark here.
 
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How come nobody has mentioned tells? Some people, I'm sure, play a lot better online because their blatant tells don't show. I saw that Barry Greenstein suckout against Durrrrr on Poker After Dark. The Moment Durrrrr saw his pocket aces, he was shaking, hyperventilating, looking around suspiciously; the kid is born for online. He's got no poker face.

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And that's why he's over in China right now, playing the biggest cash game of all time?!?!? (and being backed by Howard Lederer).
aka.. Tom.. you don't know what you're talking about.
 
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Normally the people they become very successful online players don't try to play a lot live, why would they? They found success playing online, they can play in the same high stakes games online that they could live and they can play on there own schedule.

This ^ isn't true. (I'm referring to MTT players, but also know that ALOT of online players do play live cash games & do very well in them).
Where are you all getting your misconceptions from? If you were to check out a forum of online MTT regs. you will see that MANY of them also play ALOT of live, large buyin MTTs and many have good results.
 
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