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Silver Level
Has anyone tried talking poker with players not on the level as you? I recently started playing home games and it's just funny listening to the conversations other players have with each other. And since its a friendly game, I try to explain some basic, profitible concepts with them, but it doesn't go anywhere.
I 3bet AA in LP against an UTG raiser that is a call station that likes play and chase a lot of draw hands. The flop is KJ2 rainbow and I shove my 2.5K stack into about about 1.5K. UTG snap calls with AQs, blank turn, and hits a 10 on the river.
We get conversations like this:
Player: That was a bad shove there.
Me: Why? I got him to snap call with a gutshot and 1 over for almost 80% of his stack.
Player: But he hit his straight.
Me: That doesn't matter. I got his chips when I was a huge favorite.
Player: You lost all your chips, though.
Me: Yeah, he hit is 4 outer. Oh, well. I'd do the same thing in the same situation against him.
Player: I would've just checked the turn and river and see what comes out. I already have a lot of chips in and the pot is big, so I dont want to risk anymore. If a 9, 10, Q, A comes out, Im ready to fold. If not, I bet it and I take the pot.
Me: You're losing so much value, though. Shoving here allows me to win 2 ways: either I take the pot down or he calls me with a weak hand and I double up over 80% of the time. By checking, I can only win the pot if he doesn't hit but I lose out on the additional 2.5K because he's folding to any bet on a missed draw.
Player: Yeah, but you also have to consider that he gets really lucky and he hits his draws a lot. I factor in who the lucky players are and I never go all in against them.
Me: Oh.
Of course, here I am, a player that has busted from a tournament, trying to explain why my play is profitable in that situation.
Anyway, I'll share more funny convos as they happen. I'd love to hear any of yours if you have any.
I 3bet AA in LP against an UTG raiser that is a call station that likes play and chase a lot of draw hands. The flop is KJ2 rainbow and I shove my 2.5K stack into about about 1.5K. UTG snap calls with AQs, blank turn, and hits a 10 on the river.
We get conversations like this:
Player: That was a bad shove there.
Me: Why? I got him to snap call with a gutshot and 1 over for almost 80% of his stack.
Player: But he hit his straight.
Me: That doesn't matter. I got his chips when I was a huge favorite.
Player: You lost all your chips, though.
Me: Yeah, he hit is 4 outer. Oh, well. I'd do the same thing in the same situation against him.
Player: I would've just checked the turn and river and see what comes out. I already have a lot of chips in and the pot is big, so I dont want to risk anymore. If a 9, 10, Q, A comes out, Im ready to fold. If not, I bet it and I take the pot.
Me: You're losing so much value, though. Shoving here allows me to win 2 ways: either I take the pot down or he calls me with a weak hand and I double up over 80% of the time. By checking, I can only win the pot if he doesn't hit but I lose out on the additional 2.5K because he's folding to any bet on a missed draw.
Player: Yeah, but you also have to consider that he gets really lucky and he hits his draws a lot. I factor in who the lucky players are and I never go all in against them.
Me: Oh.
Of course, here I am, a player that has busted from a tournament, trying to explain why my play is profitable in that situation.
Anyway, I'll share more funny convos as they happen. I'd love to hear any of yours if you have any.
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