Hold em vs Omaha... What is a good hand to bet?

For years I have been playing poker, I learned how to play 7 card and Texas hold em first. Then I met a group of players that play Omaha more then anything. My question is how do I determine a hand to re raise before flop. I know the basic hands not to play in Omaha ( k,k,k,3...a,a,a,a...etc) but my problem is I believe many omaha players believe most hands are worth seeing the flop. What should I do to prevent so many players from seeing a flop. Thanks in advance.

I've been playing some more ohama myself recently and i myself aren't sure exactly of what hands i should be raising/folding. Connectors seems the way to go and indeed I usually get to see most flops if there isn't a raise. It's very hard to put someone on a hand though too I've noticed. Maybe that's because of my in-experience but find it's easier to win at even though I'm never confident on if I'm beat or not most of the time.

in omaha your opponent can have lot of posibilities to beat you, there you can not be absolutely sure that your hand wins..

between Holdem & omaha I chose holdem ...

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I've played a few Omaha 5.40 dbl or nuttins lately to try and improve my game, but really as a change of pace and for entertainment value. I feel confident raising face pairs with a suited ace and up, thats about it.
I feel its more a post flop game. Staying out of messes, and trying to isolate opponents. Many times I've flopped a set of faces, potted it, only to have a complete wraparound straight draw shove back at me. So to me if your hand gets a big flop, it better have a backup plan(i.e a set drawing to a flush also,,,flopped straight able to redraw to a higher straight) or be careful. There are some people here that play high stakes omaha, and I'm interested to hear some feedback on preflop play.

Very good question. At low levels, I don't think you're going to be able to limit the playing field easily. Most decent PLO players see raises as high PP's with whatever as the other 2 cards and will call to see if they hit any of their hole cards. I know anytime I see a lot of calls after a raise, I'm much more apt to play my 3579 double suited type of hand. The reason is I'm making the assumption that most of the high cards are already in other players hand since there are so many calls. Now, that could be bad judgement on my part but its been accurate more often than not. When a player makes a raise with a good connecting PLO hand, I'll make a note and change my play when he/she raises.

My experience is that you get an early raise, one person calls...and then pot odds tell most other players to call and see. I know thats not exactly what you're looking for but it is what it is. Now, if you have middle position with a few calls and want to isolate, you can raise pot and that usually reduces the playing field. There seems to be a big difference in players mind in the .01/.02 game between a .04-.07 PF call and a .15 or higher PF call.

Note that I'm making all of these statements based on PLO and not PLO8

cdidit622 said:

For years I have been playing poker, I learned how to play 7 card and Texas hold em first. Then I met a group of players that play Omaha more then anything. My question is how do I determine a hand to re raise before flop. I know the basic hands not to play in Omaha ( k,k,k,3...a,a,a,a...etc) but my problem is I believe many omaha players believe most hands are worth seeing the flop. What should I do to prevent so many players from seeing a flop. Thanks in advance.

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It's not a problem when a lot of people see the flop. If someone's in 90% of hands they're playing hands which simply can't hit flops hard. Their hand selection is fundamentally flawed - they'll hit low sets, bad flushes, weak/dominated straights. Learn pre-flop play later, for now read up on starting hand selection and by playing fundamentally sound hands you can beat the micros. I recommend Jeff Hwang's book.

BenLZ said:

they'll hit low sets, bad flushes, weak/dominated straights. Learn pre-flop play later, for now read up on starting hand selection and by playing fundamentally sound hands you can beat the micros. I recommend Jeff Hwang's book.

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+1.
Hand selection is key in Omaha Hi. Almost every hand you are dealt will have some 'speculative' value, you need to figure out where to draw the line.

Low flushes are probably the biggest loser in PLO - a lot of players who've come from Hold 'em just can't fold a flush or often even a flush draw. Try to pick up as much value as possible there with your nut flushes. The next biggest loser is AAxx. Again, Hold em players see two aces and crap their pants with excitement, even if they are totally unconnected to the other two cards.
It won't take long to suss out how strong your starting hands are. Use some 'trial and error' play with the loonies in the 1/2cent cash games to get a feel for which spots to fold middling cards and back out of.

Thanks for the replys. I know my problem is that I started playing holdem first and if I get a hand like ( a,a,k,q) Im happy!!! but when I raise and four people call. Im like well I know atleast one of them has my A! So I guess you are right, unlike holdem its not about the pre flop as more it is about what hand to play.

you're not playing 1 or 2 pair or even a set for showdown value, you want to flop hands that have tons of redraw equity.

i'm sorta new to omaha so i would also like to know what is one of the best hands you could be dealt. i get alittle confused with it.

Check this out: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/learning-poker-57/plugging-leaks-omaha-171254/

best bet hand

My favorite bet hand in omaha hi lo is A23K with the a suited with at least one of the others. To me this is a premium hand---like AA in hold em.

Omaha is all about drawing to the nuts. Each hand away from the nuts you are, your hand is worsened exponentially, unlike in hold em where a 10 high flush w/o a board paired is usually good, or threes full of queens where you have pocket 3s. Bottom boat is also one of the big losers in addition to non nut straights and flushes.

2 Pair or connectors. Something like suited connector or suited pairs. The best all in is pockets AAKK if you must go all in

The best hand is AAJT double suited ! No, i´m kidding, but surprise surprise - it´s the second best:

1. AAKK
2. AAJT
3. AAQQ
4. AAJJ
5. AATT
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trash hand is AAAA

Good omaha starting hands must be coordinated and double suited. But honestly i prefer holdem, because omaha is too much "gambling" and variance...