Help Please: What do these stats tell you about this player?

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Please let me know what you think the strengths and weaknesses of this player are:( also any considerations when playing this person )

This is 50NL Full ring
This is over 1500 "normal" hands

pre flop raise = 9%
First In raise = 5%
Saw flop % = 15%
Vol Put in pot = 13.5%
aggressive factor preflop = 1.8%
Aggressive factor Post flop = 2.4%
aggresive factor total = 1.9%
Went to Showdown = 4%
 
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He tries to create minor confict but wants to win hands b4 the show down. He might be playing on strong hands so watch out if ur playing hand agaist him if u got kk and the flop comes up with an A he most likey hit it.

Thats what i think i might not be right but its what i think.
 
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Tight, fairly passive player that doesn't go to SD nearly enough. They can probably be pushed off decent hands by aggressive opponents. If they bet more than 1 street they likely have good / great hands. The kind of person you want to see flops against with a wide range of hands in position because they'll let you know if you're beat and will often fold the best hand when you bet.
 
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calibanboy said:
Please let me know what you think the strengths and weaknesses of this player are:( also any considerations when playing this person )

This is 50NL Full ring
This is over 1500 "normal" hands

pre flop raise = 9%
First In raise = 5%
Saw flop % = 15%
Vol Put in pot = 13.5%
aggressive factor preflop = 1.8%
Aggressive factor Post flop = 2.4%
aggresive factor total = 1.9%
Went to Showdown = 4%
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In a nutshell, it means if he calls you all the way to the river you are buggered. Hes got a very good hand.

If he gets active in the pot then be very careful and be ready to lay down your hand if he comes in with a big raise...

People like that can be shoved off the pot if they have marginal hands, but tread carefully because if they have a good hand they will take you to the cleaners....
 
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WVHillbilly said:
Tight, fairly passive player that doesn't go to SD nearly enough. They can probably be pushed off decent hands by aggressive opponents. If they bet more than 1 street they likely have good / great hands. The kind of person you want to see flops against with a wide range of hands in position because they'll let you know if you're beat and will often fold the best hand when you bet.
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But this player is aggressive both pre and post flop...

What do you thing about his play pre and post flop? are there any differences?

Do you think its wise to bet into a "passive" player who has (relatively ) decent hand selection preflop?

This person goes to showdown 1 in four times when he hits the flop. Is that low for someone who is shown to have post flop aggression?
 
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fcumred said:
In a nutshell, it means if he calls you all the way to the river you are buggered. Hes got a very good hand.

If he gets active in the pot then be very careful and be ready to lay down your hand if he comes in with a big raise...

People like that can be shoved off the pot if they have marginal hands, but tread carefully because if they have a good hand they will take you to the cleaners....
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thanks for the input - what would your strategy be for beating this player then?
 
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Best kind of player to bet into cause it's easy to define their hand.
 
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Irexes said:
Best kind of player to bet into cause it's easy to define their hand.
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hello Irexes - please can you help elaborate?

are you sure that this person is only playing defined cards?
 
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calibanboy said:
But this player is aggressive both pre and post flop...

What do you thing about his play pre and post flop? are there any differences?

Do you think its wise to bet into a "passive" player who has (relatively ) decent hand selection preflop?

This person goes to showdown 1 in four times when he hits the flop. Is that low for someone who is shown to have post flop aggression?
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Total aggression factor is under 2. For me to consider a player this tight to be aggressive it would need to be greater than 3.5.

You list the WTSD stat at 4%. This means that of the 15% of flops this player sees, they go to SD with only 4% of those. In other words for every 100 hands dealt this players gets to SD less than 1 time!

By betting into this player, who admittedly plays only top preflop cards, we're getting him to fold a lot of hands that are beating us and occasionally he'll play back at us and we can either fold when we have nothing or stack him when we've hit a big hand.

I love playing against this type of player because you almost always know where you stand.

Edit: Is it safe to assume this player is you?
 
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^this

Once in a while they may do something that surprises you but you won't go broke giving them a very small range of hands.
 
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WVHillbilly said:
Total aggression factor is under 2. For me to consider a player this tight to be aggressive it would need to be greater than 3.5.

You list the WTSD stat at 4%. This means that of the 15% of flops this player sees, they go to SD with only 4% of those. In other words for every 100 hands dealt this players gets to SD less than 1 time!

By betting into this player, who admittedly plays only top preflop cards, we're getting him to fold a lot of hands that are beating us and occasionally he'll play back at us and we can either fold when we have nothing or stack him when we've hit a big hand.

I love playing against this type of player because you almost always know where you stand.

Edit: Is it safe to assume this player is you?
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Hiya, thanks for the response.

For awareness I think the 4% Went to showdown is out of total hands. Therefore 4 times in 100 of all hands played this person is at showdown.

FYI, Poker office describes this player with a RED Flag. That is aggressive preflop and Neutral post flop. This means that sometimes the player traps with Big hands and other times he bets them big.

Does the above change anything with your thoughts?

.........yes the player is me. I do not mind if your thoughts are the same - just trying to understand and ensure that you have all the info

Cheers.
 
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If the stats are the same my thoughts are the same, no worries there.

I do NOT use Poker Office, so my analysis is based on how the WTSD stat is reported in PT. If you're, as you say, going to SD with slightly less that ~25% of the hands you play, my analysis changes. I still don't think you're aggressive enough overall but I wouldn't play back at you with air nearly as often. :)
 
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I say a very passive player. Waits and waits.
 
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Out of interest what % of times would you expect to win when you see the flop?
 
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WVHillbilly said:
If the stats are the same my thoughts are the same, no worries there.

I do NOT use Poker Office, so my analysis is based on how the WTSD stat is reported in Poker Tracker. If you're, as you say, going to SD with slightly less that ~25% of the hands you play, my analysis changes. I still don't think you're aggressive enough overall but I wouldn't play back at you with air nearly as often. :)
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Here is the official statement as to what this Showdown% means.

Showdowns% - Percentage of hands where you went all the way to a showdown, out of all hands

My question is I am still the type of predictable player that you originally thought i was? I do not mind if I am - its just that I want to understand...

Any help is much appreciated.
 
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calibanboy said:
Here is the official statement as to what this Showdown% means.

Showdowns% - Percentage of hands where you went all the way to a showdown, out of all hands

My question is I am still the type of predictable player that you originally thought i was? I do not mind if I am - its just that I want to understand...

Any help is much appreciated.
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No, you're still somewhat predictable (because you're so tight I know generally you'll have "good" starting hands) but you're not nearly as bad off as I thought. Basically you're 4% WTSD in Poker Office = ~ 25% in PT, which is a decent number for a player as tight as you are.

I do hate the way PO expresses that stat though. For you because you see ~ 15% of all flops a WTSD of 4% means you're going to SD with 25% on the hands you see a flop with. For a loose player who sees 30% of flops a WTSD of 4% means they go to SD with only 12.5% of the hands they see a flop with (playing loose-passive = bad).
 
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calibanboy said:
thanks for the input - what would your strategy be for beating this player then?
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The old adage is true.

If your opponent is tight, you play loose, if he is loose you play tight...

So against a player like that I would be pushing more, being aggressive but on the other hand never overcommitting myself because like a snake, when they bite, they tend to hurt you badly...
 
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Feedback is gift.

Many Thanks for all your gifts....... Its appreciated
 
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Those are the type of flops I see whenever I am winning. I will see about 15% of the flops, but will win the hand around 80% of the time I see the flop.

I'm sorry that I don't really know how to read those stats, but they look to me as if the guy is a little worried about losing once he sees the flop.

I have enjoyed reading the responses here. Thanks for the post.
 
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