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Help with Combinatorics Math Question, Please
Assume 5 cards for the following discussion.
I would like to know the method used to calculate the following, to an exact value: How many ways are there to make a hand of 7high? I would like to use this method to calculate how many ways there are to make each possible highcard hand. In other words, I would like to know and understand how to use the method to calculate how many ways there are of making Ahigh, Khigh, etcetera. Thanks for any help. 
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7high as in no straights, pairs, or flushes? Just look at the number of combos:
For 7 high: 4 combos (23457, 23467, 23567, 24567) In each combo each of the 5 can be any suit so 4*4^5 Then we have to take out flushes, 4 for each combo, so 4*4^5  4*4 = 4080 I just did this right now so I could have missed something, but I think that's right. The other ones are tougher, biggest thing is just finding how many combos there can be for like K high without making a straight. Or maybe you could just find total combos and subtract out straights like I did with flushes. 
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ok let's say for Ahigh since it should be toughest. First can be one of 52 cards. Next can be one of 48, 44, 40, 36.
Multiply those together, than we have to remove straights and flushes. We can remove the straight to 5/6/7/8/9/T/J/Q/K/A so 10*4^5 combos. Flushes there can be 13 choose 5 combos times 4 = 4*(13!/(5!*8!)) Then we have to add back in the straight flushes because we double counted them but that's only 4*10 = 40 Let's try this method for 7 high. 24*20*16*12*8  2*4^5  4*(6!/5!) + 4*2 = 735,216 = I did something wrong lol. Even if we divide initial product by 5 so order doesn't matter we're still way way way too big. wtf did I do wrong? edit: found it should divide by 5! because there are that many ways to arrange 5 numbers duh. That comes up with the right answer of 4080. 
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re: Poker & Help with Combinatorics Math Question, Please
So let's come up with a formula for it. It won't work with A high just because of the weird way straights can use A for high or low, but my previous post basically did that. Let's say for x high and J=11, Q=12, K=13
((x1) choose 5)*4^5  (x5)*4^5  4*((x  1) choose 5) + 4*(x5) seems to work. 
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Let me see if I can summarize, because it's hard to follow what you're saying (maybe it's just the scotch):
WaysToMakeHand = (PossibleCardsInEachOfFivePositions)  (StraightTerm) (FlushTerm) + (StraightFlushTerm) Ways = ((4(x1)*(4(x1)4)*(4(x1)8)*(4(x1)12)*(4(x1)16))/5!  (x5)*4^5  (4*((x1)!))/5! + 4*(x5) That seems to match what you're saying in post #4. I'm having trouble reconciling the formula you gave in post #5. Thanks very much for the assistance. 