Originally Posted by Rumme1
Im not sure, moneymaker putting all his chips in on the flop, drawing dead to a maximum of 2 outs, is what I call " getting a little lucky" . In that hand, Moneymaker made one of the worst plays a person can make in NL hold em and he hit the miracle. I wish I could have that type of " little lucky" when I need it most.
Also, we arent even mentioning the fact that moneymaker called off all his chips drawing dead to a 2 outer. His play would have been a bit more understandable or admirable if he made the big bluff with such a weak hand , and got called by the AA .
Are you judging MM's full WSOPME game play based on one hand? That's a bit silly.
Did he get lucky there? Sure, I think we can all agree to that, but if we have to look at MM's tournament as a whole, not just a specific hand.
If a specific hand like this, where a player gets their money in really bad spots and gets lucky makes them a bad player/undeserving of a win, then that must mean all MTT players, pros and amateurs alike, who have ever won a tournament are bad players/undeserving of their win. I mean, if that's the logic behind MM's win and he got lucky, then it has to apply to everyone else, right? Everyone who has ever won an MTT has been in the exact same situation of getting their money in behind, getting lucky, and then going on to win. In fact, it happens multiple times in MTTs.
I've won 10 MTTs and have gotten my money in way behind a number of times throughout the tournament. Yes, most of the time I lost, but the times I did win worked in my favor. However, I played many hands that contributed to my wins, not just one hand. So, I got lucky sometimes, does this mean I don't deserve my 10 wins?
As far as MM calling off the rest of his chips with 88, I believe after his 3bet on the flop, he had committed himself to the pot. Sure, he could've folded and left most of his chips in the middle, but if he believed that he had the best hand a certain % of the time (can't be exact because I don't know stack sizes + blinds), then his call wouldn't be that bad.
Finally, getting your money in with only a 5% chance to win is pretty bad, but MM had some equity. A tiny amount, but equity nonetheless, so he had a chance to win. And, mathematically, he will win a small percent of the time.