Gonna keep track to see

I'm not sure where to post this so if it gets moved then I'll know. anyway I'm gonna start today keeping track of all my suckouts and all my badbeats to see if they equal out or one happens more than the other no matter what the game If the money goes in and I suckout with a worse hand I'll write it down and the same for bad beats, I'm pretty sure that my badbeats will far exceed my suckouts I will keep track for lets say 1 month, and like I said any tyoe of game weather it be a freeroll or buyin, tournament or cash, Live or online so on July 15th I'll post my results.

...that's to be expected if you tend to get your money in good. What would be the point of this tracking?

Pretty much what D' said ... and there is no established baseline for what is going to initiate bad beat v sukout.

An exercise in the variables of variance ...

Yeah it doesn't make sense like D is pointing out. Unless you are trying to prove you get more badbeats than suckouts (ie showing you're a decent player).

It sounds to me like you are putting way to much time into Bad Beats, take the beat on the chin and forget it, it is not worth it to brood over them, use the energy that you will put into tracking them into posting hand analysis and reading the HA and strategy forums.

I was going to start doing this myself about a month ago. The reason was to see if the percentages were holding up (I was winning 75% of the time when I was a 75% favourite in the hand).

Then I started to check the odds of the hands I was up against and found out a very scary statistic. Even though your hand may be a favourite going in, its not that big a favourite. Even AK vs A6 is only a 75/25 and AJ vs KQ is only 60/40. Those are very slight advantages. That's why poker is a game of skill over time, any idiot can get lucky and have a rush of cards.

If you are going to track anything, track your ROI, review your games and make sure you get your money in ahead most of the time and most of the time you will come out ahead.

P.S. I just had this hand while typing my response. What can you do? I know I played it correct.

pokerstars Game #29402654592: Tournament #172047683, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2009/06/15 16:05:10 ET
Table '172047683 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: kokkiebro (895 in chips)
Seat 2: P-Moffat (1155 in chips)
Seat 3: WIUX (1140 in chips)
Seat 4: Frank Degun (4755 in chips)
Seat 5: LENINOU33 (1750 in chips)
Seat 6: djgolfcan (1845 in chips)
Seat 8: Mpower99 (600 in chips)
Seat 9: neclord-doom (1360 in chips)
Mpower99: posts small blind 25
neclord-doom: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to djgolfcan [Kh Ad]
kokkiebro: calls 50
P-Moffat: calls 50
WIUX: folds
Frank Degun: folds
LENINOU33: calls 50
djgolfcan: raises 300 to 350
Mpower99: folds
neclord-doom: folds
kokkiebro: calls 300
P-Moffat: folds
LENINOU33: folds
*** FLOP *** [5s 4c 5h]
kokkiebro: checks
djgolfcan: bets 600
kokkiebro: calls 545 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (55) returned to djgolfcan
*** TURN *** [5s 4c 5h] [2h]
*** RIVER *** [5s 4c 5h 2h] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kokkiebro: shows [Td 9d] (two pair, Nines and Fives)
djgolfcan: shows [Kh Ad] (a pair of Fives)
kokkiebro collected 1965 from pot

dufferdevon said:

The reason was to see if the percentages were holding up (I was winning 75% of the time when I was a 75% favourite in the hand).

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This is what you need to check. If you're a fantastic god like player then you will only get your money in when you're ahead. Hence people will "suck" out as this is the only way they can beat you. If you are playing great poker you should have more "suckouts" against you and if your playing bad poker you need to suck out. Do you really want to depend on suckouts to win? You need to track the odds of winning and are they holding up. Over a short period-yes you can be down when none of your 75% vs 25% hold(varience). But as long as you get your money in good over the long run you WILL win.

tpb221 said:

But as long as you get your money in good over the long run you WILL win.

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not necessarily. if you get your money in good always in $5 pots but never in $20 pots you wont be a winner

IMO this is a complete waste of time. IF ur playing poker just to record bad beats ur playing for nothing. Really it is a utter waste of time. again this is just imo

I'm not playing just for this but it seems to me that when i get my money in with the best of it I always get sucked out on so i jsut want to simply see if I suckout as much as get badbeated, because as it has been noted before people only note their beats not their suckouts and that suckouts happen as much as bad beats.

Just to note so far in 6 tournaments its suckouts 2 badbeats 4

I certainly hope you don't suck out as much as you get bad beats...

well hopefully you dont sit down and expect to get sucked out on or expect to take a bad beat.

you want to sit down with a positive mindset and be ready to play your A game poker.

Grossberger said:

I'm not playing just for this but it seems to me that when i get my money in with the best of it I always get sucked out on so i jsut want to simply see if I suckout as much as get badbeated, because as it has been noted before people only note their beats not their suckouts and that suckouts happen as much as bad beats.

Just to note so far in 6 tournaments its suckouts 2 badbeats 4

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Strangely ... something is missing. What is the point of sukouts v bad beats? Seems that 'dominant hands holding up' needs to be a part of this.

Grossberger said:

...but it seems to me that when i get my money in with the best of it I always get sucked out on so i jsut want to simply see if I suckout as much as get badbeated

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Those are different issues, your study wouldn't give evidence on the first part of your quote. Either do what dufferdevon did and take all your allins, put them in an equity calculator and compare that to how often you actually win...and be prepared to play for a looong time before results are significant...or don't bother.

Whether you get sucked out on more often than the other way around depends on your style/performance.