From The Floor - Live
Hey all, I wanted to start a thread, or a blog, or a something here that talks about live play and the rules and floor calls that govern it. I wasn't sure where to put it and this seemed like the most logical place I guess.
I currently manage 2 poker rooms in Michigan
, and deal poker at the WSOP
every summer. I have been involved in poker for many years now and consider myself a rules guru (well officially part of a rules guru team, which consists of several floor managers in Michigan, and floors and dealers in Vegas).
This thread should be about questions you may have regarding a floor call, stories about calls and play, or anything about how a card room operates.
I will get us started with two issues.
1. There is always major issues and fights about how to rule on a pre-exposed hand. I have seen it dealt with several different ways...our card room (and most card rooms in Michigan) rule it the worst way in cash games.
*What we do (unfortunately - I am lobbying to change) in a cash game for a per-exposed hand with action pending, is declare the hand dead and all chips into the pot are forfeited. This is because of the rampant collusion that you find in non-casino (and sometimes in the casino) poker rooms. In tournaments, the hand is declared passive, player can only call, check, or fold.
*Others will declare passive hand in both cash and tourney.
*WSOP will do nothing except issue a warning if done a lot, floors may call hand passive, but NEVER dead.
I like the passive call on both cash and tourney, you do have to try and stop the collusion, but in most cases it is done by mistake. I HATE killing hands for this reason, but that is the norm in Michigan.
2. Check out this guys move! Try to determine what he is doing before you read the ending.
Player A is in the big blind. He is a crazy angle shooter (this is not his first attempt). He has been having a bad session and is getting a little out of hand.
This is a $1-$2 NLH cash game. In the BB he puts a full stack of red which is $100. Do you know what his angle is yet?
I was actually dealing this hand as a relief push for my dealers. I knew right away what he was up to and had to be ready.
The UTG player says "call" and puts out the $100. Before the action moves much player A then says out loud - "I can fold now right?" ...do you know his angle now?
I said, "No, you cant. The UTG players bet is only $2, and action hasnt gotten to you yet anyways. Since UTG said 'call' before making any moves, verbal is always binding, and a call in this spot is only $2 It was a mistake that she put out $100", and I began to return $98 of her money at this time.
Then, for some stupid reason, a player not paying attention calls the $2, and then action gets to player A. I tell him that his $100 bet stands and must be played (out of action play stands if action does not change up to his turn - only a raise (or bet) constitutes a change in action, calls checks or folds do not). So he puts in the $100, the UTG player calls, and the unknowing idiot folds and wonders what the hell is happening.
So, to sum up, what Player A was doing was trying to manipulate someone to put in the $100 as a raise to the BB, then he could look at his cards, and decide to call the $100 or fold his $2 BB, since the action would have changed and his OOT action was no longer binding. BUT to his dismay, the UTG player actually said 'call' before she put out the $100, meaning she really only called the $2 BB, then player A opened his big mouth and revealed his angle play. (though I already knew what it was - unfortunately, if the UTG had not said call her $100 would have changed the action and he could have folded, I warned him not to do it again and would have no matter what the outcome was)
SADLY, player A won the hand on a massive bad beat - UTG had A J suited and he had J 5 off suit, hit a 5 - ick! He did not tip me.
What do you guys got? Any good stories? Questions about calls? Lets make this a good thread and maybe get it to be a sticky of its own!