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Marginal
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Hello All,
This is is probably going to be a long post because I am going to take you through a step by step of what has happened till now. However it is a very simple matter and in summation, Pokernuts01 on CC, known as AAcoskeAA on pokerstars has failed to make repayment of a stake which was suppose to be executed in September 2017. Admittedly i knew since the second even of the stake that he was going to run off with the money but gave him time although i did message the mods early on to inform them of what was going on (PS, shout out to Semper who has been really good throughout this whole thing, offering a lot of help with this and I must thank for the assistance)
So lets take this step by step.
On September 14th 2017. This thread is created in the staking forum asking for a WCOOP package totalling 863$.
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-staking-64/aacoskeaa-wcoop-big-package-346937/
I had expressed interest in his stakes in the past so he sent me a PM and I snapped up 70% for $604.10. In all he was suppose to play 5 events from September 20th to the 24th. At this point everything was agreed and ready to go, funds were shipped.
Now lets look into some PMs shall we:
PokerNuts01 on the 20th September on the first day of the stake:
What I love about this, is that a big Serbian holiday which i imagine he knew about coincided with the stake yet he included it in the package even though seems he was never going to be able to make that event. This naturally was the first red flag and the point i knew this was going to be a massive headache. This is for the 109$ event which is the first event on the package.
The day after on the 21st he creates this rail thread:
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tournament-poker-59/aacoske-marginal-215-wcoop-347669/
As you will notice only 1 of the 5 events (the second on the package) is actually listed in that thread. That was the only event that Pokernuts01 actually played.
Post this day, all interactions will take place on PM. Lets have a read shall we:
On the 22nd, the day after that tournament, he sends this:
At this point I am obviously a little annoyed but hey, at least hes being upfront that he cant complete this and is offering to make repayment straight away. Sure I'd probably never do business with him at this point again but it is whatever at this point, send the funds over and it will be cool right.
I respond to him giving my screen name where to send it back to. Now is where the excuses come in
September 26th
On the 29th September is when he starts telling very obvious lies:
For reference, Stars will not let you withdraw if you cant transfer the funds. In fact the criteria to transfer to another player are less than that of a withdrawal. The fact that he says that he can withdraw it is a blatant lie.
I call him out:
Same day he responds with the classical walk back
On the 2nd October he does provide a screenshot of his account on stars showing 970$ in it. If you want to know how this happens, 605$ would be the funds i sent through to him and all he would need to do is post another deposit separately to bump it up to that amount. The amount available to withdraw on his account was 48$ which more likely than not represented his actual stars balance before i transferred him the money and before he made some form of deposit to make it look like he had more money in his account.
In October the communication was scarce, admittedly this was because i was going through a very difficult period in my life, notably my grandfather died on the 29th September so from that day onward i didn't really communicate too much with the guy as there were more important things going on in my life.
On the 18th October he responds:
Another one of the classic, i can withdraw now, but as said, if he can withdraw he cant send via transfer, so this doesn't mean much to me. but he asks for my bank details to make a bank transfer.
Communication goes quiet again till the 3rd November and I ask for an update.
On the 5th November he responds:
Couple of things here, I do not know if he was on honeymoon or not, i hope someone of the loyalers can confirm this but would be good to know if this was a lie. Also do not have a translator on my phone is the dumbest excuse I've ever heard cause ya know, google.
A month goes by and on the 6th of December he asks me for bank/ paypal details. He says bank is fine and I ask him to ask his bank what details he needs from me because I don't want to over supply details.
No communication over Christmas, partly due to me going home and it wont be a massive priority for me.
3rd of January he finally goes to the bank to ask what they need from me:
I send him details on the 8th of January. Weeks go by to the 29th January and I ask for an update.
his response on the 30th
He probably is a truck driver but in this day an age you don't actually need to go to the bank to get information. You can actually call. Naturally my bank hasn't seen anything from him.
4th February:
yea sure banks are notoriously bad with giving out information on transactions you completed /s
14th of February:
Anyone who knows me and many people will vouch for this, I have a global account and accept any major currency plus I do not retype my instructions, i copy and paste from a document i use for all transactions which works without fail for the other few hundred wires I do a year so naturally I do not believe this.
On the 16th I send him this:
His response, same day:
At this point hes either scammed me and thinks I'm stupid or he himself is incredibly naive at thinking hes acted appropriately throughout all of this. Either way, I really don't have much more time for this.
My response later that day:
Note he doesn't respond to this for a few days so i messaged him on the 19th asking for a response. Normally if someone calls me a scam I usually drop what I'm doing to respond.
He finally responds on the 19th Feb
Guys, he solved the problem. Getting paid between 3rd and 7th March. Lets see how this plays out.
At this point I am waiting for his next repayment failure but i eagerly send him this note on the 3rd which should be the start of the collection period:
He reassures me this will happen.
On the 7th I tell him its the last day to send payment and include the nursery rhyme "hickory dickory dock"
He responds:
Last line is classic scammer line. Also, amazing comment by a loyaler right?
So now that brings us to today, with the last messaged I sent about 12 hours ago, which I really don't care if he responds at this point but I cant waste anymore time with this:
Amazingly as I was typing this out, he responds!
Naturally I send it to him. Although he would have my screen name since I did send him the original funds but ya know, I do not have much faith at this point, if he didn't have my screen name why wait till after the deadline to ask.
So here we are, 6 months down the road, a stake where someone played 1 out of the 5 games, cant seem to make a repayment to save his life. The amount isn't of much significance to me and regardless of if he pays or not at this point there was no way I wasn't going to post this on the forum because this is a matter of principle. There are ways people should behave when it comes to stakes and in this one, you have someone who has made every possible mistake. Whether malicious or not, this cannot be allowed to go unchecked.
This is is probably going to be a long post because I am going to take you through a step by step of what has happened till now. However it is a very simple matter and in summation, Pokernuts01 on CC, known as AAcoskeAA on pokerstars has failed to make repayment of a stake which was suppose to be executed in September 2017. Admittedly i knew since the second even of the stake that he was going to run off with the money but gave him time although i did message the mods early on to inform them of what was going on (PS, shout out to Semper who has been really good throughout this whole thing, offering a lot of help with this and I must thank for the assistance)
So lets take this step by step.
On September 14th 2017. This thread is created in the staking forum asking for a WCOOP package totalling 863$.
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-staking-64/aacoskeaa-wcoop-big-package-346937/
I had expressed interest in his stakes in the past so he sent me a PM and I snapped up 70% for $604.10. In all he was suppose to play 5 events from September 20th to the 24th. At this point everything was agreed and ready to go, funds were shipped.
Now lets look into some PMs shall we:
PokerNuts01 on the 20th September on the first day of the stake:
What I love about this, is that a big Serbian holiday which i imagine he knew about coincided with the stake yet he included it in the package even though seems he was never going to be able to make that event. This naturally was the first red flag and the point i knew this was going to be a massive headache. This is for the 109$ event which is the first event on the package.
The day after on the 21st he creates this rail thread:
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tournament-poker-59/aacoske-marginal-215-wcoop-347669/
As you will notice only 1 of the 5 events (the second on the package) is actually listed in that thread. That was the only event that Pokernuts01 actually played.
Post this day, all interactions will take place on PM. Lets have a read shall we:
On the 22nd, the day after that tournament, he sends this:
At this point I am obviously a little annoyed but hey, at least hes being upfront that he cant complete this and is offering to make repayment straight away. Sure I'd probably never do business with him at this point again but it is whatever at this point, send the funds over and it will be cool right.
I respond to him giving my screen name where to send it back to. Now is where the excuses come in
September 26th
So admittedly, I kind of expected this to happen reason being I sent him money on stars, they do not allow you to transfer/ withdraw funds instantly that you received via transfer. Granted I have done millions of dollars of transactions on stars and these usually clear up pretty quickly. I told him to play a few games and see if it clears up, which is my normal advise for these things.
On the 29th September is when he starts telling very obvious lies:
Last night I played some small tournaments, satellites and a cash game. I've lost about $25
Nothing has changed. I can only do a small transaction. I decided to withdraw funds to my bank account. As soon as the transaction is over I will contact you and you have to give me instructions for payment. Thank you for your patience bro.
For reference, Stars will not let you withdraw if you cant transfer the funds. In fact the criteria to transfer to another player are less than that of a withdrawal. The fact that he says that he can withdraw it is a blatant lie.
I call him out:
Same day he responds with the classical walk back
I cant withdraw.. I thought I could because this is the first time that's happening to me. I sent mail to pokerstars support again. They replied that they that they will check and I have to be patient and to wait for their response. I wanted to tell you, but you were faster
On the 2nd October he does provide a screenshot of his account on stars showing 970$ in it. If you want to know how this happens, 605$ would be the funds i sent through to him and all he would need to do is post another deposit separately to bump it up to that amount. The amount available to withdraw on his account was 48$ which more likely than not represented his actual stars balance before i transferred him the money and before he made some form of deposit to make it look like he had more money in his account.
In October the communication was scarce, admittedly this was because i was going through a very difficult period in my life, notably my grandfather died on the 29th September so from that day onward i didn't really communicate too much with the guy as there were more important things going on in my life.
On the 18th October he responds:
I finally withdrew my funds wohoooo
Please note that it will take up to 72 hours to send your withdrawal for processing. Once your Direct Bank Transfer has been processed, it may take 2-5 business days to appear on your bank statement.
Another one of the classic, i can withdraw now, but as said, if he can withdraw he cant send via transfer, so this doesn't mean much to me. but he asks for my bank details to make a bank transfer.
Communication goes quiet again till the 3rd November and I ask for an update.
On the 5th November he responds:
Couple of things here, I do not know if he was on honeymoon or not, i hope someone of the loyalers can confirm this but would be good to know if this was a lie. Also do not have a translator on my phone is the dumbest excuse I've ever heard cause ya know, google.
A month goes by and on the 6th of December he asks me for bank/ paypal details. He says bank is fine and I ask him to ask his bank what details he needs from me because I don't want to over supply details.
No communication over Christmas, partly due to me going home and it wont be a massive priority for me.
3rd of January he finally goes to the bank to ask what they need from me:
Happy New Year and Merry Christmas mate.. Tomorrow I will go to the bank and I'll let you know what is needed. We will have to coordinate our time zones
I send him details on the 8th of January. Weeks go by to the 29th January and I ask for an update.
his response on the 30th
He probably is a truck driver but in this day an age you don't actually need to go to the bank to get information. You can actually call. Naturally my bank hasn't seen anything from him.
4th February:
yea sure banks are notoriously bad with giving out information on transactions you completed /s
14th of February:
Anyone who knows me and many people will vouch for this, I have a global account and accept any major currency plus I do not retype my instructions, i copy and paste from a document i use for all transactions which works without fail for the other few hundred wires I do a year so naturally I do not believe this.
On the 16th I send him this:
His response, same day:
At this point hes either scammed me and thinks I'm stupid or he himself is incredibly naive at thinking hes acted appropriately throughout all of this. Either way, I really don't have much more time for this.
My response later that day:
Note he doesn't respond to this for a few days so i messaged him on the 19th asking for a response. Normally if someone calls me a scam I usually drop what I'm doing to respond.
He finally responds on the 19th Feb
Guys, he solved the problem. Getting paid between 3rd and 7th March. Lets see how this plays out.
At this point I am waiting for his next repayment failure but i eagerly send him this note on the 3rd which should be the start of the collection period:
He reassures me this will happen.
On the 7th I tell him its the last day to send payment and include the nursery rhyme "hickory dickory dock"
He responds:
Last line is classic scammer line. Also, amazing comment by a loyaler right?
So now that brings us to today, with the last messaged I sent about 12 hours ago, which I really don't care if he responds at this point but I cant waste anymore time with this:
Amazingly as I was typing this out, he responds!
They'll come, they'll come for sure
Give me yours PS id please, i cant find it lol
Naturally I send it to him. Although he would have my screen name since I did send him the original funds but ya know, I do not have much faith at this point, if he didn't have my screen name why wait till after the deadline to ask.
So here we are, 6 months down the road, a stake where someone played 1 out of the 5 games, cant seem to make a repayment to save his life. The amount isn't of much significance to me and regardless of if he pays or not at this point there was no way I wasn't going to post this on the forum because this is a matter of principle. There are ways people should behave when it comes to stakes and in this one, you have someone who has made every possible mistake. Whether malicious or not, this cannot be allowed to go unchecked.
