Ever get the feeling that online poker is rigged?

[font=&quot]Do you ever get the feeling that online poker is rigged? I mean, some of the stuff that I see happen on there doesn’t seem possible. Especially after a certain has a great win/loss record, it seems like he can't win again, like they are giving his money away to the people who have no idea how to play.

Besides, there is no way to regulate the poker sites, to make sure they are not ripping us off, right?

Does anyone else think there is someone going on with online poker, or is it just me?[/font]?

I use to think it was rigged but then we started playing at home with some friends every Friday or Saturday and i started seeing the same thinks going on as online so just be award and don't be scared to fold if you think your beat.

cguru:

I agree, the home games showed me anything can happen.

Ask yourself what the poker site has to gain from rigging hands. You're not playing the house like you do in blackjack, you're playing other players. The poker room is going to get their rake out of the pot regardless of which player wins. The random number generators deal as close to live cards as technology allows. I just don't buy the whole "crooked internet poker" theories.

RammerJammer said:

Ask yourself what the poker site has to gain from rigging hands. You're not playing the house like you do in blackjack, you're playing other players. The poker room is going to get their rake out of the pot regardless of which player wins. The random number generators deal as close to live cards as technology allows. I just don't buy the whole "crooked internet poker" theories.

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To answer your question, the sites have a lot to gain. If a bad player constantly keeps losing all his money or never placing in the payout, he will not return to that poker site. There are a lot more bad players then good players, so if all the bad players never win, then they will quit. So the sites have to let the most horrible players make bad beats and rig it so they make money, to keep them coming back.

You have to know what I am talking about. Sometimes, near the end of a tournament, you see some of the players and think there is just no way this guy could make it this far. Then you check his win/loss record and it’s horrible, and you know that it’s the poker site letting him make some money to keep him hooked.

I hear this all the time playing online, and I have to tell ya, it seems a bit like whining to me. I see the same things happen in live games. And I mean I've seen some really bad beats! Plus, don't you watch the WPT? lol Bad beats are happening all the time there! Look at all the crap Gus Hansen plays, and ends up coming out smelling like a rose a lot of the time. It just seems as if it's happening more online because you see more hands in a set period of time than you would in live play, and, it's easy to put the blame on the site when your game off, or if your cards just suck. No matter how statistically well you play a hand, luck also plays a roll too. No hand is a guaranteed winner; that's why it's called gambling.

Gambling is gambling, it's the luck of the draw. I mean no dought there is strategie but there is alot of luck involved too. am sure at one time or another we all lost with one of these so called "unbeatable hands" but you never know what can happen until that river card come up.

I think that it is rigged to an extent. I mean if you spent the time i bet you could find a pattern as i doubt that is possible for them to come up with a completely random algorithm to base their program in.

I have statistical data. I the month that I was winning a lot, I made about 48 percent of my 50/50 races. Then the site saw me winning too much, and this month I'm 32% in 50/50 races.

Not to mention, I have 10 bad beats in my favor vs. 39 bad beats against me!! Its rigged, I know it.

I don`t think it`s common to rig the poker sites. But i`ve had the same feeling.. I can play great in some sites and win alot, but when i change site i loose it all on good hands.
I`m not sure..

Check out what this poker player has to say. Althought I am getting no support here, I am glad I am not the only one.
http://www.pocketfives.com/8EAF5C63-CF24-42E1-9924-B30239122688.aspx

mjavor said:

There are a lot more bad players then good players, so if all the bad players never win, then they will quit. So the sites have to let the most horrible players make bad beats and rig it so they make money, to keep them coming back.

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So, the poker room is able to discern from hand to hand whether a "good" player or a "bad" player is sitting in a particular seat at a particular table. Then, they're able to predict which hands that individual is going to play or fold. Then, they somehow manage to rig the cards, mid-hand, so that the "bad" player wins to keep him hooked. Even if the poker sites wanted to reward bad plays with suckout beats, it's impossible for them to know where and when to bend the action. This assertion makes no logical sense whatsoever.

There will always be the paranoid conspiracy theorists within the poker community who will go to their graves believing internet games are stacked. I have yet to hear a convincing argument to support it. And, to my knowledge, no one has published anything resembling a definitive study on the effectiveness of computerized random number generation vs. random live shuffles in poker. This entire argument is based upon the unscientific perceptions of bad beat victims/observers.

mjavor said:

Check out what this poker player has to say. Althought I am getting no support here, I am glad I am not the only one.
http://www.pocketfives.com/8EAF5C63-CF24-42E1-9924-B30239122688.aspx

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This link is just another disgruntled bad beat victim blaming the fall of the cards on a poker room "fix". Every hour of every day on every poker forum in the world, another bad beat story, another internet poker rig job. Players should really stop embarrassing themselves with these constant rants on bogus poker dealing. It has no basis in fact whatsoever. They might as well post messages declaring the legitimacy of the Tooth Fairy.

Can someone explain to me exactly how you could rig a room or a site? I personally think it is close to impossible and to understand how a server system works, what inputs would have to be made for each room etc... it is a huge undertaking. Plus, why have you never heard a employee blow the whistle, or an oversite agency do an investigation? Plus the fact that i make the bet, raise and call. I don't have to...it is a independant choice for me to bet 2-5 off, or A-A.

I do believe on the most part that most poker sites are on the up and up. The poker sites make thier money on the rake. They want different people to win at various times to keep people playing, but I highly doubt they are going to rig the game and chance losing their reputation and all their customers.

However, I do believe that in all business trades there are a few bad apples. They may even exist at some of the well known poker sites. The programmers of the system could have inside information or some type of built in rig at certain times and passing the information on to friends or family members. They could possibly then split the profits. I am sure that there are a few cons out there that get in to various sites. It happens in Vegas but they usually get caught. The problem is the good ones have never been caught. So are they there or not?

Good thinking crock and remember cheaters never win!!!!!!!!!!!:motz:

Agreed

I believe that it is 100% rigged! You just have to learn how to play, like it is rigged. Fold a solid hand after a reraise and so forth.

I have also determined that a lot of people think they know how to play poker, but really are just lucky.

At times I think it might be rigged, but most of the time I don't. I do believe it is after aa really bad beat. But most of the time I think their ligit.

Ask yourself what the poker site has to gain from rigging hands. You're not playing the house like you do in blackjack, you're playing other players. The poker room is going to get their rake out of the pot regardless of which player wins. The random number generators deal as close to live cards as technology allows. I just don't buy the whole "crooked internet poker" theories.

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Now I don't know where I stand on the rigged games debate, I guess I don't completely believe it, but I don't totally disagree with it.

Now, I don't believe in the "bad players win so they will keep playing" theory, but I don't totally disagree that the sites might rig "bad beats."

Why would they do this? Lets say I have Q-Q and you have A-K and another player has J-10 and the flop comes A-K-Q what's going to happen? There is going to be a lot of betting and a good sized pot, and a good sized pot means a bigger rake for the poker site.

Like I said, I don't necssarily beileve they rig the hands but I can see why they might want to, and it would explain all the "bad beat" stories.



On another note, Jeter I like your signature, funny but true

I am sure there are sites out there that take advantage of the players, but mostly it is the players taking advantage.

That is why I play in mostly live games with my money - I will invest on certain sites and play in tournaments or little games where it doesn't hurt if I lose 100 here and there.

But it is too easy with im's, multiple phone lines, multiple computers, in-home networks, etc. when I was in computers over 4 years ago and had 4 phone lines at my house and 4 computers as I did phone support to China & Phillippines I was able to get on the same table and play. I did not play, but did it as an experiment - I don't know about know and how they control it, but I am hoping they do. I sent e-mails to the sites to make them aware, but never did play anything, but freerolls...so I think it would be very simple to take advantage online.

My theory is that no online poker room rigs its games on purpose, there may be some troubles with certain websites (CheckNRaisepoker.com) random number generators however.

BigDogBS said:

I believe that it is 100% rigged! You just have to learn how to play, like it is rigged. Fold a solid hand after a reraise and so forth.

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Please let me know what real money table you will be sitting at later. :icon_sant

LOL thats a good one rammer>>>>>>>buckster

Yesssssssssssssss

I play all the time and when i have AK or AQ or even a decent pair can't hit a thing...I see other players stay on the same thing and hit so then i say ok try to stay on lousy cards can't hit those either must just not be the career for my life
as they BIG DOGS say a "Hard way to make an easy living"

I've been playing realy money latly, I've noticed people are a lot more aggresive with real money, I also hit better cards, just in the past to days, I've hit quads 3 times.

How exactly do these online gambling sites determine thier rake. The rake doesn;t seem that high for each tournament or game, but I think the sites get a lot of traffic so that is how they make thier money.