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Hi guys. So on my search for a online poker book I came across Doyle Brunson's new book, SuperStar poker strategy: The World's Greatest Players Reveal Their Winning Secrets. Has anyone had a chance to read it. Im thinking about adding it to my collection. Let me know thanks.




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I haven't read it, but it looks like it's just an updated version of Super System where he has different experts write a chapter on each game.

Now I don't want to trash a book that I haven't read, and I'm a huge Doyle Brunson fan... but I'd be pretty skeptical about a poker book being released in 2017 with sections being written by guys like Mike Caro and Johnny Chan. I'm not sure how in-touch they are with the modern game, especially if you're a low-stakes online player.

It's also worth noting too that if you're solely a NLHE player then you'll only be buying the book for that one chapter, as the stuff on Omaha, stud and draw games probably won't be of much use to you.
 
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It's essentially did what super system 2.0 did at it's time. It's just a reprint of super system with some new content thrown in. Super system is a great read if a bit outdated.
 
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Yeah the original Super System (which I have read, though it's been several years since I last looked at it) is very dated, and was always targeted at high-stakes live games anyway. It's a very interesting read, but there are literally dozens of books more relevant if you're a low-stakes online player.
 
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Hi EPTX et al,

First time caller, long time listener.

As your experience as a poker player grows, you should be able to separate the wheat from the chaff, regardless of the format (book, youtube, etc).

In obtaining my university degree, I have read several hundred books and manuscripts up to 2500 years old. To suggest that there isn't value in reading 'old' books or books by 'old' authors, should be handled with skepticism (I'm looking at you Doug Polk). While some of the information will be dated, that doesn't mean there isn't value. There is, but understanding what the important 'stuff' is, how to interpret that information in today's game, these are the nuggets that elevate your game.

Clearly I advocate reading. While it has been several years since I read the original Super System, there is lots of great stuff to be had in there. I can only make the assumption that Doyle's new book will also offer some great stuff!

My thoughts, I look forward to hearing yours.
 
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I couldn't agree with you more. Im actually on my way to pick up the book now. Thanks for the response.

Thanks to all.

GL out there guys


Hopefully we come across each other on the tables.
 
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Bronsons book ose probably onle one I liked of pokerbooks. Read about 5.
 
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I havent read it but my friend has, it's a very affective book. My friends poker has got alot better since reading it
 
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I have not read it but i want to some day,
 
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In obtaining my university degree, I have read several hundred books and manuscripts up to 2500 years old. To suggest that there isn't value in reading 'old' books or books by 'old' authors, should be handled with skepticism (I'm looking at you Doug Polk). While some of the information will be dated, that doesn't mean there isn't value. There is, but understanding what the important 'stuff' is, how to interpret that information in today's game, these are the nuggets that elevate your game.

Clearly I advocate reading. While it has been several years since I read the original Super System, there is lots of great stuff to be had in there. I can only make the assumption that Doyle's new book will also offer some great stuff!

I agree to a certain extent - there can certainly be value in reading all sorts of texts, even ones that are outdated, to gain a broader perspective on an issue or to understand how people thought at a certain time.

That said, for it to be valuable I think you already need to have a solid understanding of the topic at hand: you need to know that you're reading something that's outdated or has been superseded, and have an understanding of how it does or doesn't apply to the issue at hand.

Now like you, it's been some years since I last read the original Super System too. It's absolutely an interesting read. But it has little if any relevance to the modern game.

For starters, it dedicates large sections to games that are almost never played any more, including traditional five-card draw and high-low stud with no qualifier (which is significantly different strategically from the Stud8 variant that's most commonly played today). It also doesn't cover what's probably the second-most popular game today, PLO (though the sequel does IIRC)

Point is though, chances are if you're on this forum then the game you're most interested in is NLHE, played online for relatively low stakes. The NLHE section of the original Super System, on the other hand, is concerned almost exclusively with playing live NLHE games, against relatively unsophisticated opponents, for high stakes. In fact the sheer amounts of money often at stake are mentioned by Brunson a few times as being an integral part of his strategy when it comes to putting pressure on his opponents.

Now if you, in 2017, have access to that kind of game with those kind of opponents then that's fantastic. But if you don't, and you try to apply that same strategy to a low-stakes online game, chances are you're going to get crushed.

So... is it an "interesting" read? Sure. But if you're someone with limited time and money looking to improve your low-stakes online NLHE game, then I'm suggesting there are plenty of better ways you can spend your time.

Maybe this latest book is more relevant to the modern game - I don't know, I haven't read it. But unless you're a mixed game player you'll still be shelling out for a book you only really want one section of.
 
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It would be nice for Doyle to write an autobiography. Probably a lot to be learned from his longevity as a successful player - maybe more than tips for any single variation of the game.
 
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Hi guys. So on my search for a online poker book I came across Doyle Brunson's new book, SuperStar Poker Strategy: The World's Greatest Players Reveal Their Winning Secrets. Has anyone had a chance to read it. Im thinking about adding it to my collection. Let me know thanks.




GL out there


Your other thread where you're asking what poker book to check out didn't take off too well 'BUT' I think you're going to get much better advise on it (eventually) then this one here. I've personally read over 75 poker books in the past 10 years. Some of them 3, 4 & even 5 times cover to cover. 'Them' did not include a book by Doyle. I read a couple of Doyle's books but would never recommend for anyone to actually spend a nickel on one.

If you're hoping to improve at the game, depending upon where you're starting from, there are dozens of books you'd be far better off spending your time on.

PS - If someone is suggesting to go with Doyle's book(s), consider that person as not having enough of a poker education to know better. It's night & day... seriously.
 
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I would assume Doyle's book would be both credible and informative. Put it this way, he is not doing it for the money. Todays game is very similar to the way it's always been played with the exception of the fearless players with a go for broke attitude. Just my opinion of course
 
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Todays game is very similar to the way it's always been played...

Sorry but that's absolutely not the case - it's not even true for the games 10 years ago vs now, let alone the games Doyle was talking about in the original Super System.

As for the book being credible, again I think it depends what angle you're coming at it from. If you're a low-stakes online NLHE player then I think it's pretty safe to say that's a game that Doyle has pretty much zero experience with. And again, I'm saying this as a huge Doyle Brunson fan. The man is a boss, one of the greatest of the greats. He's just not a low-stakes online player and if you're looking for advice on that game specifically, there's a hundred other places I'd turn for better advice.
 
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I'm also looking for this book. Please tell me how to read this book
 
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Hi guys. So on my search for a online poker book I came across Doyle Brunson's new book, SuperStar Poker Strategy: The World's Greatest Players Reveal Their Winning Secrets. Has anyone had a chance to read it. Im thinking about adding it to my collection. Let me know thanks.





GL out there

Honestly I first time heard for that book now
I like Doyle like player but I almost never do not play him favorite hand (10-2) :)
 
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This is a very old book. Many things Doyle tries to teach in this book are not used in modern poker. If you're really trying to learn you should look into some of the newer online coaching that way you gain an edge that applies to today's game.
 
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From old trends and patterns that have been created profitable strategies. I believe that all knowledge becomes valid when one learns to put into practice. From old trends and patterns that have been created profitable strategies. I believe that all knowledge becomes valid when one learns to put into practice.
 
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Super System's was the 1st poker book I read, good book - good read.
 
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Super System is absolutely one of the classics. I would say as a player trying to learn the game it should be a required read. Sure some of the concepts are outdated but the foundation one acquires from reading it is invaluable.
 
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Many have mentioned how Doyle's advice is not relevant now. I'm not sure I buy this. Good poker play is varied and perhaps it would be advantageous to play different from all others using the "new, correct style".

Also, many have spoken of the vast library of information telling how to play properly in today's games. How about some examples?

And why can't Doyle's strategies be used in a lower stakes NLHE game?
 
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Sorry but that's absolutely not the case - it's not even true for the games 10 years ago vs now, let alone the games Doyle was talking about in the original Super System.

As for the book being credible, again I think it depends what angle you're coming at it from. If you're a low-stakes online NLHE player then I think it's pretty safe to say that's a game that Doyle has pretty much zero experience with. And again, I'm saying this as a huge Doyle Brunson fan. The man is a boss, one of the greatest of the greats. He's just not a low-stakes online player and if you're looking for advice on that game specifically, there's a hundred other places I'd turn for better advice.
When I read your post here I'm very conflicted? I absolutely 100% agree that he probably has zero low limit experience and that if that's all your after probably not a good choice. However pretty much everyone including low limit players all play tournaments of some form or other? While it's been years since I read the Original it's still called the "Bible of poker" as far as I know? While not all of it is referenced as such I think there is a lot of really good situational instances and information that would still be relevant? I believe that by reading that book it literally changed the way I look at everything from position to raise sizeing? the If you look at it like that do you still feel it's something you wouldn't recommend? Just curious?
 
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