Donk Poll - Rate your top 5!

#1 August 24th, 2011, 5:41 PM

When I used to play on Full Tilt and Pokerstars, I noticed that the absolute worst calls came these countries. I could almost regularly predict where they were from based on how BAD their game was. Here's my top 5. Whats yours?
1- Germany
2- Brazil
3- Canada
4- Any Northern European Country lol (Thanks Hellmuth)
5- USA....sorry fellow Americans

#2 August 24th, 2011, 5:56 PM

Russia and spain

#3 August 24th, 2011, 6:19 PM

1 USA
2 USA
3 USA
4 Romenia
5 Spain

#4 August 24th, 2011, 6:29 PM

Originally Posted by wolfie

1 USA
2 USA
3 USA
4 Romenia
5 Spain

USA ....god I miss your fish

#5 August 24th, 2011, 7:58 PM

When ever I saw a few Russians at a table, I knew there was going to be some loose action. I miss seeing (Mockba) Moscow.

#6 August 24th, 2011, 8:15 PM

Any country I happen to be playing from will top the list as long as I am online-----------

#7 August 24th, 2011, 8:20 PM

every country has there share of loose cannons

#8 August 24th, 2011, 8:58 PM

Assuming you're playing the micros/low limits, country doesn't matter, 95% of the players suck and locations don't matter on the severity of how much they suck.

#9 August 24th, 2011, 9:21 PM

RUSSIANS!

Not only are they huge donks but they are so lucky grhh.

#10 August 24th, 2011, 9:26 PM

my list would have to be
1) Russians
2)Lithuanians
3)U.K
4) USA
since black friday and the shut down of FTP I have seen more and more migration to the USA friendly sites.

#11 August 24th, 2011, 9:28 PM

I notice that a lot of European players play more hands and chase a lot of one outers.

#12 August 24th, 2011, 9:47 PM

1 russians
2 romanians
3 spain
4 canada
5 Ireland

#13 August 24th, 2011, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by CheckraiseLife

USA ....god I miss your fish

lol. It's not the same without us is it? I bet it's boring now too...

#14 August 24th, 2011, 10:54 PM

1 russia/close north european countries
2 romania
3 spain
4 china
5 USA

#15 August 24th, 2011, 11:09 PM

Venezuela
Russia
China
Spain
UK

#16 August 24th, 2011, 11:55 PM

Russia,Brazil,Germany,Romania,Lithuania.The list goes on but the limits seem to be the defining variable on how many bad players you encounter on a regular basis.It all relative to the limits but they are everywhere and from every country.In my opinion about 20 percent of the players are good players and 5 percent are great.

#17 August 25th, 2011, 12:58 AM

1. Russians
2. Italians
3. Swedes
4. South Americans
5. Americans, but Americans are mostly bad because they're passive fish rather than aggro donks.

#18 August 25th, 2011, 1:38 AM

to be honest russians are great but americans I found to be very predictable to play against. I always felt I knew where I was in a hand when I played mostly vs americans. Now its like alittle more varaince because europeans take such weird lines with hands, I can only explain this how I see this in cars.

America is like the mustang, fast, but plays in straight lines,
the europeans love the corners, but also like spinning dougnuts. your never quite sure were you are

#19 August 25th, 2011, 1:53 AM

How come nobody remembers the Frenchies?

#20 August 25th, 2011, 3:33 PM

Wow, how could I forget the FRONKS?????? I totally botched my chart....
Heres my new one:
1- Germany
2- France
3-Canaduhhhhhh
4-Brazil
5-Any Northern European Country!

#21 August 25th, 2011, 3:43 PM

1. Russians

Notable mentions:

China
Germany
Canada

#22 August 25th, 2011, 3:54 PM

Germany is a slight favorite over France for the #1 spot. After watching Max Heinzelman 5 bet Shaun Deeb in the 2011 Main Event with his A6 off and cracked Deebs AA, I had to move them to the top of the chart. This was one of the worst plays I've ever seen on TV. Honestly, wtf are you thinking in this position? You're willing to risk it ALL on a6 off against a solid player like Deeb? And then you spike trip 6's on the river to ko Deeb? AA was a 94/6 preflop favorite to win also lol. Typical German overaggressive terrible play and awful read rewarded once again.

#23 August 25th, 2011, 4:13 PM

Depends on the game. PO8, give me the USA to play against, the Europeans are usually MUCH tougher. Hold 'em,I think Europeans typically play a bit poorer then the average American.

However, like so many have said, there's bad players everywhere.

#24 August 25th, 2011, 4:24 PM

1. Russians
2. Any former member of the Soviet Union(ex. Moldavia, Belarus, Ukraine, etc..)
3. Any other Eastern European country INCLUDING Germany
4. Brazilians or any Latin American country
5. Spaniards
The French rank up there w/ the Ruskies, but they weren't allowed to play anymore so they are not included.

#25 August 25th, 2011, 4:48 PM

Originally Posted by pcgnome

1. Russians
2. Any former member of the Soviet Union(ex. Moldavia, Belarus, Ukraine, etc..)
3. Any other Eastern European country INCLUDING Germany
4. Brazilians or any Latin American country
5. Spaniards
The French rank up there w/ the Ruskies, but they weren't allowed to play anymore so they are not included.

Just for the record:

Germany isn't Eastern European but Central European just as the US are not North Mexico (at least most of it save New Mexico).

Btw... the whole idea of certain tendencies of players from certain countries is BS imo.

#26 August 25th, 2011, 5:05 PM

Overall, I would vote Russians. However, the single biggest fish I ever played on stars was from Brazil. I can't remember his screen name but he had spiderman as his avatar. Even for micros he was bad.

One session I stacked him 3 times. When he finally quit he typed something in chat. I don't speak portugese but I don't think that he was wishing for my continued good health.

I don't necessarily think that Americans were the biggest fish, we just have the most. Volume over quality. Donk Poll - Rate your top 5!

#27 August 25th, 2011, 5:07 PM

I meant the former Soviet Satellite Countries. Such as Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia,Austria,and East Germany.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Bloc
So I must be suggesting that Western Germans are better than Eastern Germans.

#28 August 25th, 2011, 5:16 PM

Originally Posted by grafkarow

Just for the record:

Germany isn't Eastern European but Central European just as the US are not North Mexico (at least most of it save New Mexico).

Btw... the whole idea of certain tendencies of players from certain countries is BS imo.

^^^^^^^this

#29 August 25th, 2011, 5:33 PM

The people of Robinson, North Dakota are the absolute worst. Donk Poll - Rate your top 5!

#30 August 25th, 2011, 5:34 PM

I thought that any list of former Soviet Satellite countries had to include East Germany. I must be showing my age. Donk Poll - Rate your top 5!

#31 August 25th, 2011, 5:39 PM

Bad players are everywhere. why alienate people based upon country of origin?

#32 August 25th, 2011, 5:49 PM

It could be that some people have better sources of information than others I guess.

#33 August 25th, 2011, 6:25 PM

Originally Posted by pcgnome

I meant the former Soviet Satellite Countries. Such as Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia,Austria,and East Germany.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Bloc
So I must be suggesting that Western Germans are better than Eastern Germans.

Not wanting to bum-hunt you but I doubt Austria ever was part of the Soviet satellites.

Also how do you distinguish Easten and Western Germans ?

Germany re-unified 1990 btw.

#34 August 25th, 2011, 7:00 PM

I'd suggest that members saying 'Russians' are playing freerolls (or micro cash) because in micro & low buyin SNG ($5-$10), Russians are usually the better (best) players on the tables (lots of them are regs. who are doing well online... ie. Topshark rating typically K** or better).

Without a doubt 'Spain' is at the top of the list!!! Mexico, Portugal next in line... followed by Italy & Netherlands.

#35 August 25th, 2011, 7:00 PM

It's not BS.

Let's say you are at the WSOP ME and there is a 21-year-old kid from Sweden with a hoodie on your right and a 60-year-old from California on your left. Do you think their preflop 3-bet ranges are anything remotely similar?

#36 August 25th, 2011, 7:02 PM

Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

I'd suggest that members saying 'Russians' are playing freerolls (or micro cash) because in micro & low buyin SNG ($5-$10), Russians are usually the better (best) players on the tables (lots of them are regs. who are doing well online... ie. Topshark rating typically K** or better).

I have a lot of experience playing with Russians (either born in Russia or first-generation, all of them speak Russian and/or have accents) in live games (NLHE, tournaments and PLO) and I think they're mostly pretty awful.

#37 August 25th, 2011, 7:36 PM

Originally Posted by baudib1

It's not BS.

Let's say you are at the WSOP ME and there is a 21-year-old kid from Sweden with a hoodie on your right and a 60-year-old from California on your left. Do you think their preflop 3-bet ranges are anything remotely similar?

1) You stated two completely different ages which there are tendencies in "new school" "old school" which would effect the results if we were trying to isolate the place of birth variable in their play.

2) Referencing their 3-bet ranges doesn't peg a "donk" there are successful players with different styles all through the poker world.

#38 August 25th, 2011, 8:00 PM

I'll put up a 21-year-old from Sweden as more aggressive than a 21-year-old from California as well, has nothing to do with donkness.

#39 August 25th, 2011, 9:33 PM

Not even close. The old guys range is 10s + and AK, and the young guy probably has the range of 2/3 up to AA.

#40 August 25th, 2011, 9:33 PM

Originally Posted by grafkarow

Not wanting to bum-hunt you but I doubt Austria ever was part of the Soviet satellites.

Also how do you distinguish Easten and Western Germans ?

Germany re-unified 1990 btw.

Yep, your right. Austria was never part of the Eastern Bloc. And I baited you into this discussion 'cuz I figuired that you were still ticked off that I cracked your aces last night Donk Poll - Rate your top 5!

For the record I donked all of my chips to DMorris with a KQo UTG against his AA in the BB. My fault for not paying attention. Donk Poll - Rate your top 5!

#41 August 25th, 2011, 9:37 PM

Originally Posted by pcgnome

Yep, your right. Austria was never part of the Eastern Bloc. And I baited you into this discussion 'cuz I figuired that you were still ticked off that I cracked your aces last night Donk Poll - Rate your top 5!

For the record I donked all of my chips to DMorris with a KQo UTG against his AA in the BB. My fault for not paying attention. Donk Poll - Rate your top 5!

Nah no hard feelings - better go out early than to bubble at 3am with a shitload of work to do from 8am to 6pm.

#42 August 25th, 2011, 9:47 PM

Originally Posted by taaron

Bad players are everywhere. why alienate people based upon country of origin?

Umm.. because it's 'fact'. If you play 'ALOT' of hands (or tourneys.. or sng's.. or whatever), you'll definitely see some patterns.

Originally Posted by baudib1

Let's say you are at the WSOP ME and there is a 21-year-old kid from Sweden with a hoodie on your right and a 60-year-old from California on your left. Do you think their preflop 3-bet ranges are anything remotely similar?

also, this ^ (an extreme example perhaps.. but maybe necessary for this thread)

#43 August 25th, 2011, 10:04 PM

Biggest fish I have ever played with were from Sweden. But there are big fish everywhere.

#44 August 25th, 2011, 10:07 PM

Well, when someone knocks you out with a terrible horrendous call, the majority of the time they are from the countries that I listed.

#45 August 25th, 2011, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by momasaidnokuout

Well, when someone knocks you out with a terrible horrendous call, the majority of the time they are from the countries that I listed.

You mean:
1. Europe
2. America
3. Asia
4. Africa
5. Rest of the world

#46 August 25th, 2011, 10:21 PM

PS I have never played with Eugene Katchalov, lol.

#47 August 25th, 2011, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by baudib1

I have a lot of experience playing with Russians (either born in Russia or first-generation, all of them speak Russian and/or have accents) in live games (NLHE, tournaments and PLO) and I think they're mostly pretty awful.

No doubt a HUGE demographic difference here though.... there are older Russian donks in the area I live in (Interior of BC.. alot of Russian immigrants from yrs. ago) & comparing their play here in live games vs. 'probably' young guys on the internet who are on Moscowpoker forum, or gypsypoker.. big difference.
I have pokerprolabs software running on all tables at all times... so I see a list of all playing stats. for all players. Generally speaking, the Russians in low buyins are typically your 'regs' who are doing well. (this was mostly on FTP)

I could go randomly screenshot 10 tables of sng's or ITM in MTT if you want.

#48 August 25th, 2011, 10:51 PM

I think in general, US players are stronger than European players. Poker has exploded especially in the US in the last 10 years, and therefore the game has gotten much tougher. There are many good players overseas as well, but in general US players are the strongest imo

#49 August 25th, 2011, 11:04 PM

1) Brazil
2) Germany
3) Russia
4) Spain
5) Netherlands (Holland)

#50 August 25th, 2011, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by pcgnome

It could be that some people have better sources of information than others I guess.

I think that this is a huge factor. How many training sites are in non-English languages? How many editions of, for example, Theory of Poker are printed in Polish or Russian?

I realize that many people are mult-lingual but having most of the cutting edge theory and teaching being presented in English is certainly an advantage for native speakers.

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