Does Your Income Effect Your Outcome?

soillwill · Jul 16, 2018

I pose this question because I want to gauge the community about what x-factors are effecting their decisions in games compared to the relative stakes. For instance, if you are making around $40,000 a year then you are probably playing a $45 buy-in tourney with a slightly more serious sense about yourself than someone at around $80k or $90k. Maybe if you are in the 6 figure a year you play your cards tight because you understand how each hand is a potential investment with immediate maturity in a few hours to put towards other buy-ins in the future.

I, personally, wade between $65k and $80k a year in personal income but play cards in a conservative moronic style because I am treating my investment as garbage. There are times when I donk it up and others where I play with proper respect for the game and my opponents. Truth is, I'm only now playing like I want to win and want understanding of the game one hand at a time. Because of this, I make it much futher in the tournaments I play but lose out before getting in the money because I begin to lose my confidence and play nervously when I can no longer sense the tables intentions. But I am learning how to read my opponents better and better and how to take advantage of certain positions, especially when playing out of position.

That's just my way of playing, though. I would be interested in hearing anyone else's perspective on how they or their opponents play against them.

hugh blair · Jul 17, 2018

soillwill said:
I pose this question because I want to gauge the community about what x-factors are effecting their decisions in games compared to the relative stakes. For instance, if you are making around $40,000 a year then you are probably playing a $45 buy-in tourney with a slightly more serious sense about yourself than someone at around $80k or $90k. Maybe if you are in the 6 figure a year you play your cards tight because you understand how each hand is a potential investment with immediate maturity in a few hours to put towards other buy-ins in the future.

I, personally, wade between $65k and $80k a year in personal income but play cards in a conservative moronic style because I am treating my investment as garbage. There are times when I donk it up and others where I play with proper respect for the game and my opponents. Truth is, I'm only now playing like I want to win and want understanding of the game one hand at a time. Because of this, I make it much futher in the tournaments I play but lose out before getting in the money because I begin to lose my confidence and play nervously when I can no longer sense the tables intentions. But I am learning how to read my opponents better and better and how to take advantage of certain positions, especially when playing out of position.

That's just my way of playing, though. I would be interested in hearing anyone else's perspective on how they or their opponents play against them.

Hi Soillwill

Nice post man the first paragraph gave me a giggle but your right the income can effect the outcome you need to have money coming in to shoulder them losses or speculate to accumulate because poker is a crazy game.
End of tourneys are tough for everybody with blinds rising and pot odds after committing portion of stack to the pot implied odds and position are also huge!
I can fold 10 10 or JJ without blinking if somebody goes all in and I have nothing invested but if I raise 10 or 20 percent of my stack with 99 can not lay them down in case opponent has 77 AQ or AK even though you know villain has AA KK QQ more often,
Good luck in your games

Kenzie 96 · Jul 17, 2018

Your discretionary income should be what influences the buy in level at which you compete.

soillwill · Jul 17, 2018

Thanks for the input. I'm learning more from others as I go and now I'll begin researching "implied odds" and see where that will lead me in my maturity when playing the game.

soillwill · Jul 17, 2018

It should but we see so many people from every walk of life play the Lottery when the pot gets big enough. Point is a lot more people play the lottery because it is easy and come to poker thinking the same thing. Then they run into people that actually know what kind of player you are based of of the first few hands of play, conversation, appearance and body language. With the way technology is going, it's hard for even masters to win with regularity because so many dream of making the quick buck that they end up knocking out the masters just on the high luck aspect of the game rather than the high skill.

CGreen · Jul 18, 2018

Hi! I think that for playing cash games, income affects how people play. I have heard it said that, “You can’t play money scared!” I think that someone would tend to play overly tight and maybe fold too much if income were scarce. I feel that modern NLHE has a lot more aggression and bigger betting than in former days! People even use the, “pain threshold” as a strategy
Betting may not match the buy-in of the table at all in some cases. So, I feel that bankrolls need to be large enough to play optimally against more aggressive players.
Tournaments take some of that pressure off of people, because you just choose your comfortable buy-in amount and play with a reasonably large stack! I have talked to several people about this subject and it seems to be a general consensus.

Newzooozooo · Jul 18, 2018

My financial income does not affect my decisions during the game. I always try to be disciplined and play only for the money I can afford to spend. I usually play in tournaments worth $ 1 to $ 2.

akmost · Jul 18, 2018

I don't know but I believe that you should deposit only one time or at least don't keep redepositing because you have some money to burn for poker.

If you don't mind about the x amount of money you invest at a poker table then you will always treat the game recreationally.

Make an initial deposit no matter how big or small it is , it can be from $100 to $1000 or above/less but respect those money as they were your last.Make every decision count and don't play carelessly!

The above will force you study and treat the game at it should be treated by everyone who loves it!

On the other hand if you want to play just for fun it is your choice , have fun but the vast majority of CCers are here because they have the unique opportunity to build their bankroll from zero

Good Luck either way!

lsbenn · Jul 18, 2018

I don't base my play on my income. I base it on my bankroll and always try to improve my bankroll.

soillwill · Jul 18, 2018

akmost said:
I don't know but I believe that you should deposit only one time or at least don't keep redepositing because you have some money to burn for poker.

If you don't mind about the x amount of money you invest at a poker table then you will always treat the game recreationally.

Make an initial deposit no matter how big or small it is , it can be from $100 to $1000 or above/less but respect those money as they were your last.Make every decision count and don't play carelessly!

The above will force you study and treat the game at it should be treated by everyone who loves it!

On the other hand if you want to play just for fun it is your choice , have fun but the vast majority of CCers are here because they have the unique opportunity to build their bankroll from zero

Good Luck either way!

Truth to power.

I did say that I had stopped to consider my actions when playing these games. In the end it really comes down to how confident you are and how well you are able to make others yield to your dominance. Its not an Alpha, Beta, Omega thing, but an unwavering resolve to play like you already have the winning hand and that you are sizing everyone else up to see how much territory you can gain per hand. Sometimes sacrificing claimed advantages to lull your challengers into making bigger missteps or completely demoralizing them to make them tilt the hardest.

I don't disagree with you, I just think you got the wrong idea about what I said. My game is evolving because I know longer play like an impatient child. I agree with much you have said and only wanted to clarify my desire to be challenged and grow.

CGreen · Jul 21, 2018

akmost said:
I don't know but I believe that you should deposit only one time or at least don't keep redepositing because you have some money to burn for poker.

If you don't mind about the x amount of money you invest at a poker table then you will always treat the game recreationally.

Make an initial deposit no matter how big or small it is , it can be from $100 to $1000 or above/less but respect those money as they were your last.Make every decision count and don't play carelessly!

The above will force you study and treat the game at it should be treated by everyone who loves it!

On the other hand if you want to play just for fun it is your choice , have fun but the vast majority of CCers are here because they have the unique opportunity to build their bankroll from zero

Good Luck either way!

I see some misunderstandings in this thread, but I see what each person is saying. Playing carelessly is much different than NOT playing “Money Scared”. Each option is a problem!
If someone is playing at the wrong buy-in level based on bankroll, they may not stay in a hand even when the math (pot odds/EV and situation warrant it). They are playing afraid, folding too often, becoming very exploitable, etc.
But, of course, that does not mean “play carelessly”! Careless play and playing afraid are both bad ways to play!

neptun1914 · Jul 24, 2018

Most important thing is to not play with money which you can't afford to loose. Your initial deposit may be 10$, 100$ or even 1000$ if you can have these money for fun without interrupting your normal life. In any case you should start playing at low stakes, keep an eye on your bankroll following bankroll management rules and only get to higher stakes when you are sure that you have the necessary skill and deep enough bankroll. If you follow these rules you will be able to handle the up and down swings caused by variance and you can play your best game with calm mind.

romych007 · Jul 24, 2018

My income does not influence what I allocate to my poker bankroll. I try to differentiate what is my comfortable bankroll and just take that amount.

efranto2286 · Jan 8, 2019

My income affect my game because in my country it earns little everything is very expensive ... every time money income have to be very focused to win something withdraw and continue playing without pressure .... but at the beginning game very down

MrPokerVerse · Jan 11, 2019

Shouldn't matter about the annual income as there are external factors that drives that. You work your way up stakes by crushing the current one. If ypu're not serious, you shouldn't be playing higher stakes. Personally if you are not serious or have different concentration levels you should be looking at micro-stakes as entertainment.

Would much rather play when I haven't had bad day at work, feeling well, not tired or don't have lot on my mind. It really sucks to be in a groove and close to the bubble and loose interest. If I still want to play and my heart is not truly it, I'll run a short table SnG in micro-stakes and then turn the computer off.

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