Do you HAVE to show your cards?

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Sorry this may sound stupid but had this situation last night and I would like to know the RULES.

Player A (p), B (w), and C (l) playing. A - check, B - all in, C - fold, A - call.

1) Who opens cards first if river still needs to be dealt. Dealer / A / B / Both Players
(My answer - Dealer)

2) MUST player A show his cards?
(My answer - No, his choice)

3) May player A muck his cards?
(Yes, his choice)
 
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It can depend on where you're playing and also the kind of game you're playing, as different places treat this differently.

If it's a tournament, then a lot of places will rule that BOTH players must turn their cards over once it's an all-in pot with nobody else still to act.

In a cash game, generally neither player HAS to turn their cards over. Once the river has been dealt though, somebody needs to turn over so the pot can be awarded. If neither player wants to turn over, usually Player B is the one that's forced to turn over first as they were the last aggressor.
 
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Thanks for your answer! We were playing at home, two couples. Definitely not tournament style (from what I've read, see below in brackets) if I can put it that way as we sometimes do 'chip dumping'...

[In a tournament, each cardroom will have their own rules, but generally speaking you are required to show. This harkens back to worries about "chip dumping" where one player will lose to another (on purpose) in order to "give" the other player valuable tournament chips. Requiring both players to show is to demonstrate that each hand is fair and no collusion is happening.]

From what I understand player A does not have to show his cards as he paid to see player B's cards which went all in. Obviously player B wins the pot if A wishes to muck. Is that correct?
 
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There are two different procedures for showdown, depending on whether there was a bet on the last street.

If there were no bets on the last street, everything is extremely simple. In this case, the order of opening the cards is the same as in the previous streets, starting with the place directly to the left of the button and further clockwise. The first player, who has cards, turns them face up. Each of the following players can do the same, but if he sees that he is not the winner of the deal, he can simply give the cards face down to the dealer.

However, if there were bets placed on the last street, the rules change. In this situation, the player who committed the last active action (i.e. bet or raise) must first show his cards. After that, everything goes clockwise, while the button's role does not play a role. By analogy with the previous paragraph, after that each player can choose between showing his own cards and dumping them in the dark.

The rules do not prohibit showing cards not in turn. Moreover, it is usually better for everyone if all those involved in the distribution instantly turn their cards over. The above procedures were developed just for those cases when none of the players showed any desire to show their cards first.
 
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Sorry this may sound stupid but had this situation last night and I would like to know the RULES.

Player A (p), B (w), and C (l) playing. A - check, B - all in, C - fold, A - call.

1) Who opens cards first if river still needs to be dealt. Dealer / A / B / Both Players
(My answer - Dealer)

2) MUST player A show his cards?
(My answer - No, his choice)

3) May player A muck his cards?
(Yes, his choice)

Excuse me, but ain't it obvious that if one player goes all-in, another player calls and there are no any others players in the pot left, they have to show the cards both immediately? At least at Texas Hold'Em it is so. And no matter if this situation happened on pre-flop, flop or turn. It is like that at online poker, at local casinos or at biggest tournament of year in Vegas. Everywhere is the same thing. So i'm not sure what you are talking about, meaning that player could muck his cards.. Huh? How can you muck if you have called all-in?!
 
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All I want to know is whether you are allowed to muck your cards after you have called an all-in according to poker rules.
 
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In some cases, yes) when you want to tell your opponent something
 
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Excuse me, but ain't it obvious that if one player goes all-in, another player calls and there are no any others players in the pot left, they have to show the cards both immediately? At least at Texas Hold'Em it is so. And no matter if this situation happened on pre-flop, flop or turn. It is like that at online poker, at local casinos or at biggest tournament of year in Vegas. Everywhere is the same thing. So i'm not sure what you are talking about, meaning that player could muck his cards.. Huh? How can you muck if you have called all-in?!

It's pretty standard in cash games that the players don't have to show their cards immediately - watch old episodes of televised cash games like High Stakes Poker and you'll see it a lot.

Obviously somebody has to show in order to win the pot though. If nobody volunteers to show their cards first then the last aggressor (the player who pushed all in, in this case) MUST turn over first.

If the other player can't beat that hand they're entitled to muck however anyone who was dealt cards in the hand is entitled to ASK to see that player's hand if they want to. It's generally considered poor form to abuse that privilege, but it does exist.
 
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Well if the player on the showdown see's the villain cards before he shows his own and realize it's better than his, there's no need to show, he can only surrender without showing his cards. But is his cards are better than the villain, he needs to show so he proves he has the best hand, even if sometimes its a high card hahaha
 
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I think the player should show the resorts, those who participated in this game ...
 
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Both players need to show their hands.

If 1 of them just Fold the cards, then he is admitting defeat, so no problem with that.
 
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