Do you guys like 4 Betting QQ's?

I hate pocket JJ's very much but I probably hate Queens as much. So I was thinking about a few hypotheticals, How do you guys play QQ's in EP or MP after maybe open raising getting two or three callers after, and then another reraise from someone in Late position? With people still left to act do you guys ship it or do you smooth call for pot control when it comes back to you. Also does your strategy change in tournaments. Because for Jacks I often times smooth call as a preference. But with QQ's I don't know if its a leak but is always 50-50 between jam and pray (I know bad strategy) and calling for pot control..

Second question--this is from early position specifically. We open raise, then a few callers maybe 2. Then late position reraises, not 50 percent of your stack but maybe to a 3rd. ( Example: I open to 15-18. Two callers. Late position raises to 75-90 dollars?) Are we getting it all in with others still left to act when it gets back to us?

I know these two questions are sort of similar but if you could differentiate the answers unless they're the same; from open raise in ep (as original raiser), and calling/re-raising from random in ep, w/ QQ's in 3 position. Are we reraising an open 3 bet with 6 or 5 still left to act or should we pot control call?

I know this is a lot--but early thanks to any who grapples with this. I appreciate it.

If the game takes place at an early stage of the tournament, then I play very carefully - on QQ so as not to get to the senior pair, and if the game is already at a late stage, then I play aggressively or often I play all-in!

Hi.
I find that pocket pairs that you say are good cards. Obviously, you need to be able to use them correctly. It is difficult to give you a specific answer, it all depends on each particular situation. But I usually play aggressively with such cards.
Good luck.

I play 6 max cash games so it depends how aggressive villain 3bets and squeezes whether or not i want to 4bet gii with QQ from ep.A really simple default 4bet strategy is KK+ needs 8 bluff combos to balance QQ+AK needs 22 combos which gives you a 60/40 value/bluff ratio.To work that ratio out you just divide your value combos by 1.5 to give you your bluff combos.So you might 4bet say KK+,AJs-ATs from ep and QQ+,AKs,A5s-A2s,97s,86s,AKo from later positions or which ever bluff combos you choose.

With I prefer go all in against one or two opponents.Raising or re raising will put more players in the hand.So I prefer all in pre flop.

QQ can be 4 betted preflop...get ready for AK , KK, AA preflop coin flip when shoved on though.......
Early stages you can play it more cautiously and later stages play it more aggressively

1a: Yeah, I'm almost always going to 4 bet here in a cash game. When I'm deciding if an opponent is a good candidate for this move, I'm looking at his stats to see HOW positionally aware he is... if its low - then I might fold. If its high, the 4 bet is the easy choice. I'm less worried about the callers and I'm trying to get heads up with the 3better, hopefully on AJs-AK or a positional move. If its a positional move, you'll get a fold but sometimes opponents will feel committed here and push/call with a surprisingly wider range, and you can scoop big pots.

1b: Depends on tournament situation and stats of course, but I'm generally going to 4 bet qq against a late position raiser if I'm EP opener. I like to raise 2.5BB EP because it sets up this situation: LP gets froggy, tries to steal with a 3bet and you scoop the pot with a 4bet.

2: Yeah, we're pushing here. I don't want to play queens post flop out of position. There's probably the most value in pushing here, fold equity and all accounted for.

stacks; position; the player; everything depends here. Sometimes 4 betting is good, so you can play with only one player.

Only in the later stages is four betting QQ's is a good play especially if they are the top pair on the table:damnmate:

I'm loathed to ever jam JJ or QQ in any position unless I'm deep in a tourney and facing effective stacks or worse. I do not see any issue with raising to see where you are but in a multi way pot if the call is cheap, often you are going to be facing a big decision when someone jams their two pair on the flop or fish flush. If late is jamming against your QQ then in most cases I'm expecting either better than QQ or in most cases a AK flip...in your scenarios, I'm looking at pot control as my best option.

There is no reason to hate pocket jacks, the reason a lot of people do is they place too much value on them. They look down at two jacks and feel like they have a super premium hand, but in actuality if a maniac limp calls a raise with Q3 suited and the board comes Q72 you're done. That point can also be applied to your second question, QQ is another hand that is powerful but still vulnerable to Kx if the board comes Kxx. In the beginning and end of a tournament im in there with QQ all day but in the middle, and towards the bubble you gotta slow down a little with the ladies

Depending on the stage of the tournament and the table dynamics. I will tread carefully early on, as it’s likely I’m up against any Ace or King or those set mining. That said deeper I tend to play more aggressively,especially if there’s several openers in. I’m definitely 4 betting to isolate.

It really depends on the stage of tournament and what is the profile of the player who reraises but in general i would just call here if the bet is still reasonable compared with my stack. If calling requires more than 1/3 of my stack i would go allin directly.

raise, raise, raise pre-flop !! Leave one maximum of two players, then look at the board and their psychological portrait - what hands they play. And in the case of an unfavorable deal and aggression on their part - do a thoughtful pass

It is a hand to raise with for sure. Don't mind playing the hand strong in early position and like even better in late position.

Flatting these hands with people left behind to act and not having position is generally a bad idea. You give odds for set minings and you perform very poorly on a variety of situations. so vs a squeeze i usually go all in unless i have good information that the aggresor is extremely nitty.

QQ needs to be raised solidly. Especially multiway as they are going to hate flopping K and A high boards. The limpers and callers also need to be punished while also building a big pot. I'm not sure if shipping it over the top is always going to be the right play. Yes you'll thin the field etc and maybe get all folds but you could also be denying yourself a lot of value. For me, I'll most likely take this line in a cash game but would be far more cautious in a tournament. Generally KK+ wants to ship it here. QQ is looking to make a big raise and get heads up for some postflop value. If they come over the top I will consider folding against some Tags and Nits.


With JJ i'm open raising strongly and 3 betting with this hand and might possibly flat a 4 bet if my opponent's range is unusually bluff heavy. But I'm never 4 betting and certainly not shipping multiway.

I believe that first of all, you have to put a range for the opponents, if it is not difficult, that is to control the pot you are giving pot outs for the opponents to pay or 3bet in you. QQ you have two options to play raise and if your opponent's range is too much of a bluff you go all in it regardless of the action he does if he goes all in on a bet of yours and you have already seen he's giving you limps, and calling, and dropping a lot, his chance is bluffing is great, you put a range of cards that he is, and your QQ is in front of him almost always ... In poker you need to think, think, and so you see ways to help your range, and QQ shove is not a sin, so when you fold your QQ, it will be a + EV move since you understand why the action.

sryulaw said:

I believe that first of all, you have to put a range for the opponents, if it is not difficult, that is to control the pot you are giving pot outs for the opponents to pay or 3bet in you. QQ you have two options to play raise and if your opponent's range is too much of a bluff you go all in it regardless of the action he does if he goes all in on a bet of yours and you have already seen he's giving you limps, and calling, and dropping a lot, his chance is bluffing is great, you put a range of cards that he is, and your QQ is in front of him almost always ... In poker you need to think, think, and so you see ways to help your range, and QQ shove is not a sin, so when you fold your QQ, it will be a + EV move since you understand why the action.

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100% Agreed

I would say 4 Bet cause it is one of the top 3 best hands to raise and hope not to get into AA or KK. There are more pairs that many people call like 99+ and sometimes make trip with other pair cards. So lets not be to scared on raises.

Everything depends on the situation and the player you are facing but in most cases it is not a good move

I prefer QQ to open 2.5 bet with EP and MP, for any call raise) And then on the situation)

Too many factors at play to say 1 way is just better than another, assuming this is a cash game and everyone has 100bbs for the sake of simplicity, i'd say it's a good idea to 4bet if you are out of position just because you are probably not pushing the action otherwise. If you are in position however I'd probably just flat a 3bet, you are in the driver seat and control the pot post flop, especially if an A or a K comes up.

Sometimes

Only when I'm trying to get in my opponents mind super hard

the only time I dont put QQ in with KK and AA is during a multiway pot where I was in the blinds. for instance, UTG raises, CO 3Bets, and BUT calls. Depending on stack sizes, Im probably just flatting along here, and check raising any bet on a low board. now heads up, Im doing what I can to get it in.