Do n00bs play conservatively or overaggressive at the casino?

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I've been playing Hold'em for about 6 months on my phone. I understand the game much better than ever before. For fun, I might get wild and take $500 to a casino and test out my skills against real players.

I have seen a lot of YT footage that shows you can win with even a 2 7. In a small time casino with weekend warrior amateurs, do you notice that bluffing works or backfires? Do n00bs tend to back off when you go "all in", or are they overeager fools who will actually call your bluff with slightly better garbage? Do they play conservatively or overaggressive (and blow themselves out in short order)
 
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I've been playing Hold'em for about 6 months on my phone. I understand the game much better than ever before. For fun, I might get wild and take $500 to a casino and test out my skills against real players.

I have seen a lot of YT footage that shows you can win with even a 2 7. In a small time casino with weekend warrior amateurs, do you notice that bluffing works or backfires? Do n00bs tend to back off when you go "all in", or are they overeager fools who will actually call your bluff with slightly better garbage? Do they play conservatively or overaggressive (and blow themselves out in short order)

I dont think you will do much winning playing hands like 7-2 and that is especially true against nOoObs.....no point in bluffing them if they won't fold....you can only bluff against players who are capable of folding.....best just to wait for good card and good spots....GL
 
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I think the problem is they're going to recognize you as one of these "noobs" as you call them. Poker on your phone is far from live poker and yes they'll be fish at the table but also one's more experienced and bettter than your game at this point. Find the cheap game and get a feel for it before you get creative with starting hands.
 
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I dont think you will do much winning playing hands like 7-2 and that is especially true against nOoObs.....no point in bluffing them if they won't fold....you can only bluff against players who are capable of folding.....best just to wait for good card and good spots....GL

So, are you saying n00bs tend not to fold? Compared to experienced players?
 
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So, are you saying n00bs tend not to fold? Compared to experienced players?

Indeed. They will call down with anything!

But, if I may offer quick advice, why don't you deposit a small amount online. Say $100? And play the micro stakes cash games for a month or two while reading up and studying your play. From there, you can hit the casino with that $500 and at least have a clue and (hopefully) show yourself to be one of the better "fish" at the table :)
 
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Ok, so don't try to bluff n00bs.
I have noticed in my phone App, people will stay in with total junk.
They will also call EVERY pre-flop raise. No way this happens in real life.
In contrast, pros on youtube fold almost everything, and most hands are head-to-head.

I think I'd like to do exactly that.
Playing with money will change the level of play, even at a $100 investment.
But, I thought online poker was banned in the USA.
I also read that they are all rigged and crooked.
Can you suggest a site?

And yes, I am one of these n00bs as well, but I am at least in 2nd gear. I know how to fold and do not chase sucker hands like K 5 or suited junk.
I am not really looking to gamble, or make money at this, but I do want to walk into a casino and play Hold'em and see how long I can last.
 
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I think I'd like to do exactly that. Playing with money will change the level of play, even at a $100 investment. But, I thought online poker was banned in the USA. I also read that they are all rigged and crooked.

And yes, I am one of these n00bs as well, but I am at least in 2nd gear. I know how to fold and do not chase sucker hands like K 5 or suited junk.
I am not really looking to gamble, or make money at this, but I do want to walk into a casino and play Hold'em and see how long I can last.


There's a HUGE difference between play money or facebook zynga and real money poker....once you play 4nl you will notice it within 5 minutes.....so you will need to adjust from your play money game style....download a starting hand chart for different positions around the table and post in the 'microcrushers thread' for advice and tips....fwiw I started playing on facebook for ages then made the jump to real money...so atleast you have an idea of the rules and hand rankings etc, which means once you add some more tools you will prob do well in cash games.....poker sites are not illegal in the usa...its a long story but you can't play on the top sites like pokerstars etc, but there are sites that you can play on that all the US guys on here play on...and you will find them in the player sites section of the forum...I think carbon, bovada, americas cardroom, juicy stakes, black chip poker etc are the main ones...and you can download them via cardschat...gl
 
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How do n00bs and fish respond to "all in" at the casino? I can see them chasing bad hands, but "all in" threatens to end their night in one hand. Most n00bs want to stay in and play as much as possible. I bet it is easy to muscle n00bs and fish into folding with all in's. Is this accurate?
 
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I've been playing Hold'em for about 6 months on my phone. I understand the game much better than ever before. For fun, I might get wild and take $500 to a casino and test out my skills against real players.

I have seen a lot of YT footage that shows you can win with even a 2 7. In a small time casino with weekend warrior amateurs, do you notice that bluffing works or backfires? Do n00bs tend to back off when you go "all in", or are they overeager fools who will actually call your bluff with slightly better garbage? Do they play conservatively or overaggressive (and blow themselves out in short order)

Howdy. By all means give it a shot at your nearest casino for the experience and let us know how it goes. It can be a fun way to spend an evening.

Live play is often quite poor, and many players will play a wide range pre. Post flop you might find players calling rather light and raising rather tight. I would suggest rather tight hand selection to start off and to observe everything you can while you're waiting for hands. How your tablemates are playing, what they do with certain hands in certain spots, w/e. As you gain experience you can then consider loosening up a bit.
 
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How do n00bs and fish respond to "all in" at the casino? I can see them chasing bad hands, but "all in" threatens to end their night in one hand. Most n00bs want to stay in and play as much as possible. I bet it is easy to muscle n00bs and fish into folding with all in's. Is this accurate?

Nothing is ever guaranteed in poker my friend....as they say in our game, 'it depends'
 
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How do n00bs and fish respond to "all in" at the casino? I can see them chasing bad hands, but "all in" threatens to end their night in one hand. Most n00bs want to stay in and play as much as possible. I bet it is easy to muscle n00bs and fish into folding with all in's. Is this accurate?

It depends, but they'll often rely on some fuzzy math when deciding to call or fold. A semi competent live player is unlikely to call a shove without the nuts or near nuts - at least until they see you shove a couple of times previous, but depending on effective stack sizes you'd be very surprised what some of these players will call you with.... stacking off pre for 100 blinds with 33, AT, KQ, etc. Because bad players have a penchant for calling much more often than they ought to be, you probably don't want to make bluffing these players off their pretty little pair or draw the focal point of your strategy.
 
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Conservatively Overaggressive I guess.. :p

And By the way, what do you mean by 'Do noobs play'? Are you serious? :p
Noobs doesn't play. They are only there to increase the list of paricipants. LOL
Honestly speaking, i like them because they are the ones who help me build my stack. :)
 
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You cant categorize all the new players into one category... every single player you encounter is going to be different and play their own way and the sooner you realize this the better.. dont go into it with an expectation of people playing a certain way..

The first times at a real table can be a little intimidating.. just be patient until you get your bearings.. dont try to make too many fancy moves or big bluffs without alot of experience you simply wont be ready for this. play solid poker and youll do fine.. but dont expect someone to play a certain way.. watch the players at your table and know how they play
 
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If I play in real life, I will be playing very tight and conservative. My main goal is to see how long I can last without going bust. I would, however, like to venture out beyond only playing pocket pairs and 2 high ranked cards in the pocket. But yes, first things first. I am not going to start going all in and be done within 20 mins if I am going to drive 2 hours to a casino!
 
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If I play in real life, I will be playing very tight and conservative. My main goal is to see how long I can last without going bust. I would, however, like to venture out beyond only playing pocket pairs and 2 high ranked cards in the pocket. But yes, first things first. I am not going to start going all in and be done within 20 mins if I am going to drive 2 hours to a casino!

you wont last 2 minutes mate.....ive not even played live yet and ive been playing the game serious for the last 8 months....and i dont think im even ready to play live yet.....learn the fundimentals of the game instead of thinking you can just turn up and double your money without knowing anything about what you are doing/or not doing....otherwise play blackjack
 
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imo, you're gonna get killed in a flash dude. You need to learn how to play from smaller stakes first b4 taking 500$ into the casino. Playing a few days off a phone will not help you.

From my experience playing live:
1. people chase flushes like their chances of hitting a flush is 100%
2. There are some sharks there that you need to know how to avoid.
3. You need to be able to find out which one of the players you know are weak and pick on them. If you dont have much experience, you're gonna die so fast. You're gonna feel like the blinds are hurting your stack, when it really isn't ---> then feel more inclined to play shitty hands... next thing you know, you're bust.
 
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Thanks for your concern, but it's ridiculous to say I will lose in a flash. I have played 1000's of hands, and watched at least 40 hours of youtube footage. I know how the basic game is played.
I also implied that I will fold 90% of my hands. I play very tight and conservative. So, there is no chance in hell I will lose quickly. If anything I will drag it out for hours by simply folding every hand until the blinds erode my 3x buy in limit stack. And, that will take a lot longer that 2 minutes. The only way you go bust that fast is by going all in on his first hand.
 
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Thanks for your concern, but it's ridiculous to say I will lose in a flash. I have played 1000's of hands, and watched at least 40 hours of youtube footage. I know how the basic game is played.
I also implied that I will fold 90% of my hands. I play very tight and conservative. So, there is no chance in hell I will lose quickly. If anything I will drag it out for hours by simply folding every hand until the blinds erode my 3x buy in limit stack. And, that will take a lot longer that 2 minutes. The only way you go bust that fast is by going all in on his first hand.

What kind of videos do you watch on youtube?

Scenario question.....you are on the button you have AJ, UTG raises x5, everyone folds round to you, what are you going to do?
 
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My best answer: newbs play like newbs at the casinos generally. They are easy to spot because they aren't comfortable with the flow of the game in a live game. One of the biggest giveaways I think is not realizing that you don't have to make change to place a bet or a blind. They sort of dangle their big chip in the air looking at the dealer trying to figure out how to make change!
 
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Definitely not a good idea to bluff noobs because they will call everything lol. They sure play overly aggressive because they don't what is happening and or chasing everything.
 
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You'll get players that will call anything or players that will fold easily. Its pretty easy to spot a lot of these players. Playing conservative and finding a good hand is the best way to make money against these callers. Usually i try to bluff a little and then when i get a big hand or make my hand on the flop, i get the most out of these players.
 
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a real noob never fold, and call until river, so catch these players! :D
 
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Seems to me the first bluff a noob should learn is to make their opponents think they are better than they are. Not such a hard bluff to learn as it mostly involves folding junk.
 
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What kind of videos do you watch on youtube?

Scenario question.....you are on the button you have AJ, UTG raises x5, everyone folds round to you, what are you going to do?

I would simply fold. As a beginner, I play tight. A is a longshot, and J is nothing great.

I watch tournament clips. There are countless hours of footage.
 
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I would simply fold. As a beginner, I play tight. A is a longshot, and J is nothing great.

I watch tournament clips. There are countless hours of footage.

what if the villian is a massive drunk degen fish and has bet every hand prior to that?
 
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