Difference Between Cash Grinders and Tournament Grinders?

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This is the time where you learn the truth of the poker world...


You all need to get on my level of understanding... Poker is gambling yes indeed no doubt about it so why poker? Why don't you just go hope on a blackjack table and count cards huh? Why aren't you all-ining that roulette number-specific bet?

I'll tell you all comparing the poker game to something like a damn tortoise race where you are betting on which one wins lmao... oh lordy lord lord...

It is time for me to bury you tournament fans once and for all because it is actually sickening how you all act like it's just "different" no little child whining and moaning defence of the tournament lifestyle to me like I owe you some respect when you are using STRATEGY in a game where random coinflips decide your success or failure in that tournament. Just please stop with this nonsense talk

You have randomness in the cards so what is the way to profit best in gambling? Play the form of gambling where the least variance determines how much money you are making per hour, or even minute overall. With a beautifully elegant LAG style where you play randomly passive when you sense they are wanting you to bet into them and bet huge on your nut-hands knowing they think it's a classic overbet which you've used many times before will make you this and I will prove it.

You all want to talk like you can "make more" by a tournaments than cash games? LOL, little adults with the brain of a 12 year old slave to the system I'm about to teach you all a damn concept called "HOW MANY HANDS DO YOU EVEN PLAY PER MINUTE?"

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TOURNAMENT GRINDER... Oh, you're twotabling barely coping if you get to the late stage of both at the same time to not slip up with your ridiculous ICM calculations?! Oh I get it no problem... PLAYING SUICIDAL IN MID-GAME IS HOW TO PREPARE FOR THE LATEGAME AND MAKE THE BIG WINS YOU NEED TO PROFIT... in other words, play like all the fish do in mid game instead of the sharks and you make more money per year overall... LOGIC WEEEEWOOO BRAIN NOT NEEDED!!!!


Dumb wannabe kingpins in the poker game listen here to me. You can 5-table tournaments? How you gonna handle getting to later stages of say, 3 at once? or just after losing 4 you start a few SnG to fill the gap and then make one slip-up so significant in the fifth table that you lost all 5 lmao...

With cash games it's much easier to multi table as it's about consistent play quality rather than sudden plays. You lost $4 in a $10 buyin to a bad beat? SO WHAT?! HELLOOO, DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE LUCKY EARLY OR LATE IN YOUR SESSION nope not one bit~!!!!!!

get lucky = super-upswing if played well :D no worries of staying lucky for remainder of cash game session/overall tournament oh my lordy lord you gonna tell me this that blabla

OKAY FINAL POINT

Actually you know what? Just watch this damn video and here me rant my f***ing anger baby... well i just had to reupload it as the internet cut during upload... lame...

final point (which i say in the video that i'll post later in this thread) is that you are betting on a ton of events going your way when you wager money on a tournament game but with cash games you are only ever wagering your money on that hand and situation profiting you and even if you're caught bluffing or whatever, it helps so much as you now can adjust the other way if the opponents expect you to do that mistake next time.
 
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What do you say about twitch tournaments grinder like Lex Veldhuis and Jeff Gross and that Lex had 5x final table in that day?
 
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Rational Madman, LOL. I agree with you.

nyjah0, about, Lex Veldhuis and Jeff Gross, in my opinion are cases that do not happen everyday,
5 final tables I how many buyi ns? How much did each one cost? understood?
 
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Rational Madman, LOL. I agree with you.

nyjah0, about, Lex Veldhuis and Jeff Gross, in my opinion are cases that do not happen everyday,
5 final tables I how many buyi ns? How much did each one cost? understood?

That's why you have ROI & ITM #s to guage how well a player does.
 
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Still comparing MTTs to cash games?

Why? Just play what you like and let others play what they like. I don’t want to get on your level of thinking if you can’t understand a basic concept like that. I like MTTs. Love MTTs, actually, but I don’t talk down about cash games and their players. So, why do you? We get it, you like cash games. Good for you, move on.

At this point, I wonder if you’re trying to convince others or if you’re trying to comfort yourself because you’re bad at MTTs. I mean you did try to prove you could beat MTTs and failed. Are you still trying? Did a recently bad MTT session upset you?
 
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I do not like cash games, better yet, I hate it!
but I can say because of my statement
I could not adapt to the dynamics of the game
So I decided to go to sit & go
I did like MTT too, today I have another vision of these games
incredible as it seems to participate of some low values up to a $ 20 entry, no more than that
I do not criticize anyone who has play cash, just for me, this game did not work for me
 
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I believe that for this game format, the player must have a specific strategy
I have friends who are very good in cash game, and they make a lot of money
but for me it did not work, maybe one day I could learn the formula of success .. shsushuss
 
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What really is the difference of the cash game and the tournament grinder?

To constructively answer the question in your title (I read your rant but all your arguments aren't worth responding to because they are baseless), cash game players are less likely to be or become degenerate problem gamblers I think. The very nature of MTT's is so adrenaline dependent that I think it takes a toll mentally on MTT regs. I'm not referring to fatigue because I know cash game players experience fatigue all the same, but MTT's can really desensitize you to money. You can play fantastically but at the end of the day you might take a coin flip for 5 figures of equity, and you might be completely correct to do so, but what happens in your head when you lose that flip? It can get really exhausting and cash game players will never experience losing a flip for 100BI's of equity most likely.

Again they are very different games and they shouldn't be compared for purposes of saying one is easier than the other
 
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1001 post which learn us something what autor dont understan! this is paranid comparision for trying to make u look better. wrong way. cash - who care, mtt - who care, stars, 888, holdem, razz, sng 6 or 9 max - WHO CARE? Any results, stats, successes? if u have ones, post it it will be more interesting than bs you posts in ACR or 888 official threads.

every thread, which you post, with "cash" and "mtt" in the one title must be marked like a spam, IMAO. even didnt hurt myself to read first post, like always, nothing useful
 
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Do you think aggression proved something here? Absolutely nothing. What is the purpose of your post? You wanted to humiliate players playing in tournaments? You have achieved it.
Do you think someone will toss tournament game for the cash? No. They just hate you because half of the participants play in the Cardschat freerolls.
 
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Do you think aggression proved something here? Absolutely nothing. What is the purpose of your post? You wanted to humiliate players playing in tournaments? You have achieved it.
Do you think someone will toss tournament game for the cash? No. They just hate you because half of the participants play in the Cardschat freerolls.

Freeroll is fine, you lose no buying over time
 
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I can see how some people don't like tournaments. When I first played in one, I was really caught off-guard by the high frequency of shoving. It almost felt like there was no strategy to it. But I do think there is. I guess it's just a matter of taste. I prefer cash games, but some people prefer tournament games. Just like in chess, some people prefer 1 minute lightning games, while I prefer 15+ minute games. How can you make sound decisions with so little time, I always wonder. I don't know, but some people are really good at it. It's just not for me and that's okay.

To each their own, right?
 
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I can see how some people don't like tournaments. When I first played in one, I was really caught off-guard by the high frequency of shoving. It almost felt like there was no strategy to it. But I do think there is. I guess it's just a matter of taste. I prefer cash games, but some people prefer tournament games. Just like in chess, some people prefer 1 minute lightning games, while I prefer 15+ minute games. How can you make sound decisions with so little time, I always wonder. I don't know, but some people are really good at it. It's just not for me and that's okay.

To each their own, right?
No. It's not right. You are not entitled to say tournament poker is better or even equal to cash game poker it is like saying horse race Ng is equal to rooster fighting (the c word is banned in this site) with horse racing you can bet multiple horses with educated stats of past races to spread your bets. With rooster fighting you cannot in any way judge which will win unless somehow one rooster killed three or more.
 
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No. It's not right. You are not entitled to say tournament poker is better or even equal to cash game poker it is like saying horse race Ng is equal to rooster fighting (the c word is banned in this site) with horse racing you can bet multiple horses with educated stats of past races to spread your bets. With rooster fighting you cannot in any way judge which will win unless somehow one rooster killed three or more.
LOL. Wait, so players can't play what they want just because you prefer cash games over MTTs?

And I guess you're entitled to say it because...what? You have 1.5 million in play chips from cash games and I guess that makes your opinion on the matter correct?
 
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LOL. Wait, so players can't play what they want just because you prefer cash games over MTTs?

And I guess you're entitled to say it because...what? You have 1.5 million in play chips from cash games and I guess that makes your opinion on the matter correct?
they can play it but they can't say it's equal or better.
 
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they can play it but they can't say it's equal or better.



I lose a bit more faith in humanity with each post i read from you honestly. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even you are entitled to your opinion
 
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I lose a bit more faith in humanity with each post i read from you honestly. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even you are entitled to your opinion
If everyone is entitled to their opinion then the people whose opinion is that not everyone is entitled to their opinions must themselves be entitled to their opinion.
 
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What really is the difference of the cash game and the tournament grinder?

If everyone is entitled to their opinion then the people whose opinion is that not everyone is entitled to their opinions must themselves be entitled to their opinion.



Yes but opinions can also be wrong. Also if you think that video you posted helps your credibility on this topic you are mistaken
 
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Yes but opinions can also be wrong. Also if you think that video you posted helps your credibility on this topic you are mistaken

So then not everyone is entitled to their opinion.
 
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You are allowed to have wrong opinions. An opinion can't be objectively wrong but it can be wrong from another persons perspective
So if my opinion is that you can't have the opinion that tournament poker is equal or superior to cash game poker as it unfairly makes good cards late in the game profit you whereas if your good cards and good outplays come early in the tournament it amounts to nothing in overall profit then you say everyone is entitled to their opinion and that is my opinion.
 
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So if my opinion is that you can't have the opinion that tournament poker is equal or superior to cash game poker as it unfairly makes good cards late in the game profit you whereas if your good cards and good outplays come early in the tournament it amounts to nothing in overall profit then you say everyone is entitled to their opinion and that is my opinion.



Yes and most of us here believe you are wrong. Which is fine. The entire purpose of this forum is for us to exchange our thoughts and try to convince each other as to why we are right.
 
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