could a player independently freeze other players table?

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Do you think it's possible for an individual player who is participating in, lets say, a 9 handed nl tournament, to somehow manipulate other players game (one or more) in same game in order to force player to loose. The reason I ask this, is because there have been more than a few games where I was chipleader when all of a sudden my game just straight freezes to the point I have to shut the client down and reboot. I know I sound paranoid, but I am serious. I honestly can say that it seems like the vast majority of times my game freezes is when I am chipleader. Understand, I'm not saying any site is rigged... What I am wondering is if it is possible that an expert hacker who plays poker could somehow manipulate (freeze) my game by hacking into my computer. Just wondering...:confused:
 
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Being young, Ive played a lot of xbox and id say its possible.
On xbox all players are dependent on one players connection(the host) and they can control the game if they know how. There are programs that are commonly used for something called a "lag switch" and the host can freeze everyones connection by flooding there internet with packets where they are getting no date streamed in but the host's connection is still perfectly fine and they are free to run around/shoot other players or score in sports games and such. Its definitely not as easy as it used to be though because its now easier to detect and once detected the host connection is switched to another player in the game.

Idk how connections are run in poker rooms but id imagine it would be possible there is a dominant connection at the table that others are dependent upon and they could do something similar and force a timeout.
 
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I do not think think this at all possible and merely a coincidence.
 
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Thats food for thought...

Thank you so, so much for the info Xunrated... it's definitly something to consider....now I'm glad I asked... not saying it's whats actually happening but thats sounds sortof like what I'm talking about! Again, thanks a Million!
 
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Do you think it's possible for an individual player who is participating in, lets say, a 9 handed nl tournament, to somehow manipulate other players game (one or more) in same game in order to force player to loose. The reason I ask this, is because there have been more than a few games where I was chipleader when all of a sudden my game just straight freezes to the point I have to shut the client down and reboot. I know I sound paranoid, but I am serious. I honestly can say that it seems like the vast majority of times my game freezes is when I am chipleader. Understand, I'm not saying any site is rigged... What I am wondering is if it is possible that an expert hacker who plays poker could somehow manipulate (freeze) my game by hacking into my computer. Just wondering...:confused:

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Do you think it's possible for an individual player who is participating in, lets say, a 9 handed nl tournament, to somehow manipulate other players game (one or more) in same game in order to force player to loose. The reason I ask this, is because there have been more than a few games where I was chipleader when all of a sudden my game just straight freezes to the point I have to shut the client down and reboot. I know I sound paranoid, but I am serious. I honestly can say that it seems like the vast majority of times my game freezes is when I am chipleader. Understand, I'm not saying any site is rigged... What I am wondering is if it is possible that an expert hacker who plays poker could somehow manipulate (freeze) my game by hacking into my computer. Just wondering...:confused:

I'm no expert, but i'll leave my opinions here, i think it would be possible to freeze your game through a "remote access" but i also highly unlikely, due to security devices and technology, poker rooms...

Can you tell which poker room this happened?
 
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Merge Network...

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highly unlikely, if you think something like that is happening and you think youve been hacked, change ALL your pws and update you computers protection

you should change your pws periodically anyway
 
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This is called Murphy's Law, your computer never freezes when you have 7-2 off, always when you have aces, thats poker for you :D
 
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Being young, Ive played a lot of xbox and id say its possible.
On xbox all players are dependent on one players connection(the host) and they can control the game if they know how. There are programs that are commonly used for something called a "lag switch" and the host can freeze everyones connection by flooding there internet with packets where they are getting no date streamed in but the host's connection is still perfectly fine and they are free to run around/shoot other players or score in sports games and such. Its definitely not as easy as it used to be though because its now easier to detect and once detected the host connection is switched to another player in the game.

Idk how connections are run in poker rooms but id imagine it would be possible there is a dominant connection at the table that others are dependent upon and they could do something similar and force a timeout.
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I know what Xu is talking about, they used to have a "hosting" player that all the activity ran on. They c/ouldn't possibly use that technique in modern online poker games. The"host" All the players have are basically stupid terminals that are logged in to a node on the servers supplied by the game company. Also, losing that much control, i.e. allowing the software to run on a "host" user would give way too much power to unknown persons.

Bottom line, it is unlikely that anyone at the table can limit badwidth to the rest of the table unless they are admimistrators of the game room, and then you have a bigger problem.
 
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ah sorry, I thought he was just being paranoid, didnt mean to make a joke of it :)
 
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Yeah, xbox was dangerous. Not saying "I" did this ;) but if you knew a good bit about computers it was easy to kick someone off their console, freeze them up, and even completely flood an IP of another player and make their whole internet useless computers and all and non-working for however long you think they deserved. (Not suggesting, completely illegal) Also possible through just a computer but way more complicated.

I would imagine poker rooms have more dedicated table servers maybe all connecting to what they call the dealer so it would take a real computer savvy person to even come close to affecting anyone else.
 
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OMFG! I read this entire thread! sigh
 
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OMFG! I read this entire thread! sigh

I did too, but found the discussion interesting. Highly unlikely that it is possible and a huge waste of the cheaters time on a low limit game.
 
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I think if someone was doing it, it would be more for the aggravation value than to make any money.(isn't that what most hackers enjoy, annoying people???).. there are plenty of hackers out there and I'd bet some of them play poker. Thanks for all the replys!
 
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No, this isn't possible. The network protocols and security involved are not nearly the same thing as a gaming server so the comparison to XBox or anything similar is bogus. For starters, you cannot determine another player's IP address in order to "target" him in any way. The most that could *theoretically* be possible would be to DOS the site itself which would affect all players, however even that's highly unlikely in a poker client/server arrangement with a modern network infrastructure that could quickly detect and isolate such an attack (not to mention leaving the attacker easily identified and banned). If DDOS'ing poker rooms were possible, it would have happened a million times by now.
 
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Do you think it's possible for an individual player who is participating in, lets say, a 9 handed nl tournament, to somehow manipulate other players game (one or more) in same game in order to force player to loose. The reason I ask this, is because there have been more than a few games where I was chipleader when all of a sudden my game just straight freezes to the point I have to shut the client down and reboot. I know I sound paranoid, but I am serious. I honestly can say that it seems like the vast majority of times my game freezes is when I am chipleader. Understand, I'm not saying any site is rigged... What I am wondering is if it is possible that an expert hacker who plays poker could somehow manipulate (freeze) my game by hacking into my computer. Just wondering...:confused:
It is not possible. Freeze all or none. Even freezing all it is not possible these days. They change IP's and DNS dynamically so that all that it happens it is a little lag . Plus i would not try this. There is the feedback to the location from where the nuke is originated and you might go to jail dependng on the country law.
 
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The same thing is happening to me me... I thought it was a glitch in the new merge 6.0 software, but I think its my internet connection. Every time it happens I have to reset the router to get my internet connection back.
Weirdest thing

I know it sounds like my internet goes out and the game freezes, but it is the other way around... internet will stay connected to google, yahoo, ect until i close out the merge software then the internet goes.... wierd.
 
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The same thing is happening to me me... I thought it was a glitch in the new merge 6.0 software, but I think its my internet connection. Every time it happens I have to reset the router to get my internet connection back.
Weirdest thing

I know it sounds like my internet goes out and the game freezes, but it is the other way around... internet will stay connected to google, yahoo, ect until i close out the merge software then the internet goes.... wierd.
Probabely the software. Send you problem to the support. I had the same problem with FT 2 years ago and it was my operating system. Somtime on certain computers with a certain OS some application does not work properly.
 
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Just about 100% not possible on a poker client.

In the old days of computer communication when modem ran like 600, 960 baud and the best was 1,200 bit/s (V22), I remember that if you were in a chat room (like the old Prodigy or Compuserve Network - anyone remember this) you could freeze up anyone's computer that was a non-Pentium, generally an 8086 8088 Intel Chip 16-Bit, by just scrolling the chat with some text (as long as you had a Pentium). They would have to reboot the computer to unfreeze.

Compter-dating was a real adventure then. No pictures online..... :elefant:

Reminds me - My first job, Fax had not been in marketplace yet. TeleType FTW. When Western Union meant communication :)
 
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I don't think it's posssible no.

Firstly, if a player had the capability to do such a thing then he could do something much better and at much higher stakes rather than make a few bucks from you in a micros. Not being rude, just being honest. If someone really could do such things, I'm sure they would hack something much more worth while.

Stop being paranoid :)
 
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i do not think thats possible as well, most likely your pc just messing some up or some. if it were then i bet that the poker room itself would be rather quick to find out because it would be un-usual and they would def know some was going on the specific player was trying to mess up.
 
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