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Will mathematically correct decisions make me a profitable player? To what extent is the right decision really important? will the correct one be swallowed up by the variance?
 
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I think that the math of the game can make you profitable against recreational or good players. Once you start to reach high stakes it will depend on the players at the table. If your sitting at a table with the greatest players on the planet you'll have trouble with just playing the math side of the game. But how often if ever is that going to happen. Phil Hellmuth is great for getting a decision against the math. You want to find feel players who know the math but don't always follow it. Variance will always happen but like anything with numbers or odds they'll eventually fall back into your favor. I've spent a lot of my time lately looking into these same thoughts and I've found you need to know every aspect of the game to succeed in the game. You'll find these are simple questions with the most complex and undefined answers.
 
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Hi.
At a distance, the right decisions will allow you to earn.
But I think, it is also very important to understand, what decisions will be correct in one or another situation.
Good luck.
 
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Right decisions + good enough number of played hands + good bankroll management should give the desired result allowing to beat variance and build good bankroll.
 
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Mathematics is the solution to many of our problems. Its usefulness is such that, even in leisure, it plays an important role. It is the case of poker. A player who can only win by his intuition can win a game, but a good knowledge of the possibilities can not do anything but improve his play and give him an advantage. The relationship of the father with the compañeras is one of the most eloquent and ludic examples of how this discipline with the fame of the difficult in many aspects of life.Poker is not a game of chance: you have to combine cards in a similar way to bridge. Texas Hold'Em is one of the best known and most played styles in the world. Luck is not the predominant factor in poker, but the richness of combinations and the perfect mastery of emotions along with a good dose of strategy and opportunism.The usefulness of maths in pokerThe mathematical principles applied to poker are quite basic and accessible to the general public. Among the most important, we can keep the following: The context on which the probabilities of gambling in poker rest: the cards. Each deck has 52 cards, with 4 suits containing 13 values ​​each. The odds and the odds. They are concepts that you have to know how to handle yes or yes. There is a very simple calculation rule that allows you to get an idea of ​​the possibilities you have of completing your project: you have to multiply the number of flop outs by four, helping you with the fourth and fifth streets. The out is the number of cards a player needs to improve his hand (both hand cards). By knowing your outs, you can calculate your chances of getting one of the cards in play that will give you the winning combination. The calculation of mathematical expectation (or expected value). It is the profitability of a hand, what the bet can bring you. It can be negative or positive. By calculating this hope, you can anticipate changes in the situation and determine the actions and your way of playing.



As a student of two techniques I can give you my opinion about math; I had a subject of statistics and I found very interesting, the amount of formulas and can be applied to everyday life, I do not have much time to apply to poker but in the future I will sit down to analyze these situations. regards.:five:
 
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I always try to stick to the math in every decision I make at the table. I find that it is good for the bankroll.
 
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Will mathematically correct decisions make me a profitable player? To what extent is the right decision really important? will the correct one be swallowed up by the variance?


Yes, but understanding the mathematics behind it is not always so simple. In poker there are various forms of mathematics at work. In general it can be divided into two forms of mathematics: The basic form or entities that can easily be proved and the complex form that operates relatively on a basis corresponding to quantum mathematics where proofs are much more difficult to achieve if not impossible in a corresponding time frame.
 
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Like some people said, you will be a profit player playing the small stakes... Once you reach the higher ones, you will need others skills to continuing improving your game and so your profit!
 
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I understand that logical poker should be played, one that goes only with cards called group 1, high pairs of high suits.
I also think we should take a little risk when we can do that.
One time I went with 32off and hit flop 332.
I became dead and was only paying up all in.
That was my style, that was my way of playing and at that moment I thought that was right.


GL for Us!
 
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Maybe. Pure math can tell you what to play, how much to bet in each position, how many outs exist, pot odds. I suppose most of it except reading your opponents.
 
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Maybe. Pure math can tell you what to play, how much to bet in each position, how many outs exist, pot odds. I suppose most of it except reading your opponents.


The reading of opponents can be math based as well... hands they go in on, sizes of bets they make, deviation plays and corresponding events that lead to those plays, etc -- all allow a good a statistical basis by which to determine the potential future actions of said opponent.
 
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Yes, math and knowing well your opponent is the key to success. Whenever I watch a good regular play always plays math and opponent oriented! It will be way more profitable to know when and against who you should apply more pressure or 3bet - 4bet. Keep some notes and if you play against the same opponents a HUD would be fine to keep track of your villains!
 
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I think that as long as one is calm that the decision made is the right one, one has to feel good about the play. That things do not go as one imagines does not mean a bad decision.
 
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The right decisions will make you profitable in the long run.

 
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If you rely only on math in the game, then to some extent you improve the game. But I think that not only mathematics with probability theory is needed here. You forget about the bluff. Bluff does not need mathematics. When you bluff, you have to think at the psychological levels.
 
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In many situations we end up losing, even with the decision taken to be correct, the variance of the game is a predominant factor, this can change values in the short term, but I believe that correct decision, linked to studies,can change to positive, all that the variance subtract in the short term.
Attention to these factors makes the difference, without strategy and study,for break the variance, can be sure that it will fail, and with this lose money in the short, and long term
 
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The reading of opponents can be math based as well... hands they go in on, sizes of bets they make, deviation plays and corresponding events that lead to those plays, etc -- all allow a good a statistical basis by which to determine the potential future actions of said opponent.
Valid point.
 
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I agree reading the opponents, knowing what they play, how often they bluff and the math are all equally important. If anyone is Just relying on the math a big part of the game and strategy is missing.
 
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A solid understanding of even just the basic math combined with good preflop hand selection helped me go from losing player to slightly break even to winning player.



Of course the trick with the math and odds is that if we;re only considering our own odds for our own hand to improve or simply win we're missing the odds that our opponents are playing. We've got to concurrently be giving ourselves good odds while making the opponents pay for slightly worse odds for their hand. That's the hard part.


A great concept to consider is how implied odds (which should be very carefully considered and are not an excuse to throw math odds out the window!) come into play. Of course implied odds to work correctly def requires an understanding of "feel" and "reads" of opponents combined with ability to read boards with some knowledge. A few examples that come to mind:

- If an opponent bets and only gives us 2:1 to see the next card and we need 4:1 to correctly call based on math (say a strong draw) but we are confident enough players in the hand, based on observing their previous play, will also call...thus building the pot and giving us the odds on our 2:1 call once 2+ more players call the original raise.



- If an opponent bets and gives us poor odds mathematically to continue but we have a good read on them and know they will often pay us off for stacks if we hit our strong draw (i.e. they're known for aggressively playing TPGK but don't fold much even when obvious draws complete) then we could justify implied odds even though pot odds are not correct.


- We can also of course turn the tables as we should be doing and make sure we're giving worse but tempting odds for the opponents to call and chase. And if we get good reads on an opponent, we can charge more than we would for more conservative players and get a player who will chase their flush draws for example off our pot size bets and miss....and we've taken a nice pot :)

- We can also use odds against our opponent by (and this is a concept I've only recently been putting into my online game) betting out our down strong draws because against some opponents it controls the pot in our favor and prevents them from re-raising us or setting the price for the next card and it also build a nice pot for us if we do think we're ahead of them at the turn or river.



And in all these examples we can either over or under bet depending on the board texture and villain and manipulate the pot odds in our favor.


All this aside, I believe others are spot on too in saying we could just use math and play solid tight poker but as we move up stakes that type of math only play can and will get exploited by better players who use the examples I made above to control the pot odds in their favor and outplay players who go "well I'm only getting 3:1 and I always need 5:1" when in some spots some villains will easily exploit this and C-bet you into oblivion.



As Phil Helmuth says: tight is right.


And as anyone here says when a specific hand is posted for feedback: it depends.


And if you're playing $1/2 live casino poker...well tight is def right.
 
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Yes, math will help you in many ways in the game, when you make the right decision in the game then the profits will get and improve your playing skills, math is good when you calculate in the game, but not in the game when you play all-in on -
pairs or other normal maps!
 
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I think that utilizing math in making the correct decision can play a big role in making oneself profitable. Did you make the right decision at the time with the information you had available? If you continue to make sound decisions over the long term you can be profitable.
 
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I'm sorry, but mathematical decisions in online poker does not exist, in live poker, yes, I even believe that math can be used.
 
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there will be moments that you should take the human factor, instead of mathematics, in final tables, people are pressured by the awards, and the psychological factor weighs a lot, there is time to put pressure and scratch more.
 
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I think that a mathematical correct solution is the main way to success in poker !!!
 
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