Consider bad beat jackpot as pot odds?

I've noticed a lot of sites have bad beat jackpots which not only pay the person who received the bad beat and gave the bad beat, but also often pay each of the other members at the table. (The one at ACR is a little over $183,000 right now.)

Anyways, I was just curious if anyone has played a hand before based upon the probability they might hit the bad beat jackpot. I'm sort of having a hard time coming up with an example of what I'm getting at, but let me try. Let's say the minimum requirements for a bad beat jackpot is 4 of kind 6s or better.

Let's say you're holding 9-9 and the flop is J-J-J. The pot is building some pretty good size, and then it's your turn to call and you make a strong raise. A couple fold, and then the big blind calls and the others fold. The turn comes and it's a 9. The big blind goes all in.

The pot itself is pretty large, but there's a very good chance you could be going up against quad jacks, which easily stomps your full house. Matching his all-in would be very costly if you were wrong and if by the grace of god you hit a 9 you still wouldn't beat his quad J with quad 9; however, the bad beat jackpot is absolutely ridiculously huge - so in this scenario, should that be considered into the pot odds?

We often use pot odds to determine if drawing to a flush is worthwhile based upon the size of the pot and cost to see the next card, and while the chances are slim you're going to hit a quad, the cost to see if you can in relationship to the size of the bad beat jackpot is extremely small. You have a 1 in 46 chance of hitting your 9 (a little over 2%), but the bad beat jackpot is in the hundreds of thousands.

Well I have never considered the bbj into pot odds considering I don't play cash games that much and when I do its on carbon (who now doesn't have one) but I totally see an argument FOR taking the bbj into consideration

If I had that scenario (depending on the amount of money to call) I could see me thinking about that jackpot and calling

No that would not go into pot odds, because if that was the case you would always have overinflated odds to call any pocket pairs 66+ along with anything suited connectors/gappers that could create a straight flush.

Also, the way BBJ's work, you both players need to use both hole cards to create their hands, not just one.

Congratulations, you have invented a whole new area of probabilistics.

Please figure out the odds for us.

absoluthamm said:

No that would not go into pot odds, because if that was the case you would always have overinflated odds to call any pocket pairs 66+ along with anything suited connectors/gappers that could create a straight flush.

Also, the way BBJ's work, you both players need to use both hole cards to create their hands, not just one.

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Well it would only be considered like on the turn when a specific scenario arises not like pre flop with suited connectors only when like he said when ur almost sure they have quads+ and ur drawing to quads+

Long ago at a Casino in Nevada, I found myself with quad 7's and asked how the BBJ worked, hoping someone would have something to contend with. They didn't and folded to my check. I can still remember the dumbfounded looks on their faces.

So that might count eh?

No matter what the implied odds of it actually are.. when im at the casino and i know the bad beat is sitting at like 500k or something.. it becomes real tough mentally for me to fold any bad beat possible hands..

I just keep thinking what if this hand is "the one" and i fold out haha closest i came was when i flopped quad nines other guy was open ended straight flush draw on turn.. river blank :-( i almost had a heart attack waiting on that river card

Blown01Cobra said:

Let's say the minimum requirements for a bad beat jackpot is 4 of kind 6s or better.

Let's say you're holding 9-9 and the flop is J-J-J. The pot is building some pretty good size, and then it's your turn to call and you make a strong raise. A couple fold, and then the big blind calls and the others fold. The turn comes and it's a 9. The big blind goes all in.

The pot itself is pretty large, but there's a very good chance you could be going up against quad jacks, which easily stomps your full house. Matching his all-in would be very costly if you were wrong and if by the grace of god you hit a 9 you still wouldn't beat his quad J with quad 9; however, the bad beat jackpot is absolutely ridiculously huge - so in this scenario, should that be considered into the pot odds?

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Most sites and Brick and Mortar casinos require both of your cards to play. If the player with Quad Jacks has AJ it wouldn't qualify for a BBJ. He would have to be holding JJ on a JJx flop turn or river. So you'd basically be on your ass down one buy in without a BBJ win.

why wouldnt ace jack qualify? its a 5 card hand? the ace would be part of that hand... (woohoo post 888 ...8000 to go)

The bad beat jackpot on pp is interesting, I have played off and on party since day one and I have ever seen in tournaments one set of quads beat another, or sng's.
I'm talking thousands of games, thousands upon thousands of hands, never seen it.
Now I very rarely play the cash games, and this is where this bad beat jackpot works, so is the program designed different on the cash to the sng games as I've seen the message come up tons of times for the bad beat jackpot has just been paid out but thought I would have witnessed this happen in one of the other type games?

I had a really bad beat on party poker one time, I had JJ, raised, guy called, flop went J99, guy bet, I reraised him, and he reraised all in, he had 88, I was laughing for two seconds until turn 8, river 8. That's the worst I've experienced, possibly the worst I've even seen.

I didn't realize you had to actually be holding two of the cards as part of the bad beat jackpot. I guess I know now, not that it makes any difference because the likely hood i'll be in the situation is slim.