Originally Posted by StormRaven
Well its just, i dont see how you can really beat the game long term with such incredibly huge tips + rake...
or maybe you dont mind about profiting and you just play for fun?
I play for a profit and yes the tips do cut in to that but only a little if I am winning. I did say it is dependant upon if I am up already or not.
Last night at the $1/$2 (not enough interest to get a higher stakes game going last night - sigh) I was down $160. I won a $150 pot - I only tipped $2. Then I won a $105 pot soon after, I tipped $5 and the last hand of the night I won a $613 pot - I gave $20. So if I'm down I tip low, if I'm winning I'm happy to tip more.
Here are 2 examples from last night of how that has benefited me:
1 guy in ep raised to $6 pf, another guy in mp makes it $12 pf, I'm on the btn with KK and pump it up to $65pf, the original raiser in ep wants to reraise again and throws out a total of $95, I say the guy has to raise it up to $118, the guy then wants to pull his raise back and just call my $65, the dealer (who was pretty new to the poker room, usually deals blackjack) was going to let him. I argue saying because he has already thrown out over 1/2 of a raise he has to finish his raise. The guy argues with me saying it isn't 1/2 because he would have to double my bet of $65 to $130 therefore he only put out $30 when he would have to have had put out $65 instead of $30. I argue that since I raised the pot by $53 from the mp's $12 that his $30 is over 1/2 needed. Normally (not always) the floor would have allowed the guy to pull his $30 back and given him a warning. I would normally allow this to happen as well, except,
this guy had been a real jerk to me during a tournament we had just played a couple hours before (made snyde remarks about how "cute" it was that a "girl" had been "lucky" enough to make the final table) so inisisted he had to finish his raise. Seeing as he wanted to pull his raise back I knew he didn't have AA and felt fairly confident my KK was good against him. The floor made him complete his raise, siding in my favor, and he went on tilt and shoved on the flop of 10 9 3 with his JJ, I ended up taking a total of $287 from this guy. So my being a generous tipper has made me more money from players in the long run because the floor will more often then not side with me on an "iffy" call.
2nd example: It's against the rules to do a showdown play. Another player and I wanted to play a blind hand for $50 after the last hand of the night was delt and the other players were lined up at the cashier cashing out. I had just won a $613 pot and was on a little heater. The dealer did it and the floor pretended to not know we were doing it. (Our showdown plays are where players get there cards and without looking agree to a specific amount and no betting - after the river card is delt we each turn up 1 of our cards that we had not looked at prior and the player with the best hand wins). I won that hand and gave the dealer $5.
People may or may not agree with these methods but I guess that is one of the benefits at playing at a smaller poker room with only 10 tables. You get to know everyone fairly well and whether its right or wrong, the staff does have their favorite players and I happen to be one of them. The extra tipping has earned me extra $$ in the long run.