Cash Games & Tournaments Are Not Different But More Profit In Cash

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For a long time I have had the misconception that tournaments are for dumber players and in retort people told me they are just different but one isn't better than the other for profiting. This is impossible because if two things are different, one will be better at a specific task than another (at least by a minute degree).

The fact of the matter is that all a cash game is, is a tournament where your M-zone is always equal to your BB. Make decisions you'd make in a tournament with the M-zone set equal to your buy-in and you will understand that all a cash game is a perpetual early-game tournament setting.

Tournaments aren't different because they end, they are different because of the maximum loss and minimum gain and THIS is why ultimately you can make more at cash games than tournaments on average because you have no cap on the amount that your exploitative hands on other's profit you in real hard cash.

I agree that tournaments are more thrilling though and will keep playing them as you can't become a top tier world renowned poker player if you sit at cash games all day. We must ask ourselves if glory or raw profit matters more and for me it was always both so I will get better at tournaments but I will know that cash games are my fallback if I have a couple losing sessions.
 
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Completely agree. The tournament is for the average player - as a lottery
 
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Completely agree. The tournament is for the average player - as a lottery
Good players also can play them and profit. The issue is that from an objective perspective if money is your motive, you will make more regular and certain income by grinding cash tables as they allow you to play 'around' other adaptable players and exploit the rigid players who have leaks in their playstyles.
 
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Completely agree. The tournament is for the average player - as a lottery
I may accept that cash game is profitable or easy or better then tourneys...

but saying "tournament is for average player"
sounds like a dumb opinion..
Calling something nice to something you are good at and calling not nice to something you are not good at sounds so funny to me....
 
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to think that a mtt player is less than a cash game, I think it started with the statements of Doug Polk: MTT players are a sham. There are a huge number of players who are considered good, but in most cases, it is not. Most MTT players believe in advanced strategies, but they really have no idea what they are doing. All those who win a major tournament and claim to be winners have not understood anything about this game. Every time I play a tournament, I am surprised by the average level of players. We could say that there is not a category of poker player that I admire less: Tournament players. .
each type of player is good in their field and I think there is no linear comparison in them
 
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to think that a mtt player is less than a cash game, I think it started with the statements of Doug Polk: MTT players are a sham. There are a huge number of players who are considered good, but in most cases, it is not. Most MTT players believe in advanced strategies, but they really have no idea what they are doing. All those who win a major tournament and claim to be winners have not understood anything about this game. Every time I play a tournament, I am surprised by the average level of players. We could say that there is not a category of poker player that I admire less: Tournament players. .
each type of player is good in their field and I think there is no linear comparison in them
Part of being a great tournament player is playing a little stupid in the middle section of the tournament so that much more often if you make ti to the mid-late stage you always end up in the top 5 whereas when you play 'smart' you dont end up making the final 5 of an MTT nearly as often and then you keep playing smart but don't cover yoru losses nearly as efficiently.
 
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If your goal is to play for real money, freerolls are obviously not good practice. You are playing for a prize. Usually as a prize, freerolls are offered real money and places in other tournaments.
If you are not interested in small amounts, and you are trying to earn more, then, probably, freerolls are not for you. But if you want to build a bankroll, and do not want to invest money in your game, money freerolls may suit you
 
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i can not play cash . but love tourneys
 
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If your goal is to play for real money, freerolls are obviously not good practice. You are playing for a prize. Usually as a prize, freerolls are offered real money and places in other tournaments.
If you are not interested in small amounts, and you are trying to earn more, then, probably, freerolls are not for you. But if you want to build a bankroll, and do not want to invest money in your game, money freerolls may suit you
cash games are not referring to paid tournaments, I am referring to the 'ring game' format of poker as opposed to the tournament form.
 
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I agree with you, but for this you must first improve you game, or else your money will surely go away as fast as you put it in game
 
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yes I agree cash game is a quick way to raise or lose the bankroll, in tournaments it is more interesting for me to play and beat players and get into the prize zone but takes a long time to win, and in the cash game it's possible to raise decent money within 1 or 2 hours, I play more in tournaments to become better and then try to play in a big tournament with a big prize pool and win but for now I'm not ready for a serious game I'm on chuchut and in not big games!
 
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The cash game differs from the tournament, because in the cash game it is possible to win money within 2 hours and in the tournament you can sit for 2 hours and not win and lose the tournament, for raising quick money, a cash game is better!
 
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But also on tournament u lose your enter fee but on cash u can get several bad beats and to lose bank for a week of playing. (just saying that is possible) :)
 
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cash game not a tournament?

A Tournament pays better IMO. I will explain it to you. in cash games, not home cash games, but Casino playing a Casino dealer, they will be against you from Jump Street. A Tournament they won't be, or shouldn't be, because they have been payed off at the start. you know you are playing for a payout position. in a cash game if you go broke after several hrs. of play you are broke. but in a tournament you hit payouts and have more than you started with. if you Join a Casino Tournament let's say a 200+ the house fee's and the Dealers Tip, and just 100 players Join. Top prize could be anywhere from $ 5200.00 and up and be played between 5-8 hrs. if you can make that kind of money in cash games in 5-8 hrs, then you need to quit your job and move to Vegas. you could go broke in about 4 hrs and still come home with more than you started with.
I do understand though, that a cash player can play about an hr or two and often double their money, but the problem is having it in you to know when to walk away. I'ts hard to walk away when you are winning, and it's hard to walk away when your down, so over all a Tournament player will make more, more often than just cash players. for that very reason alone. I hope this helped you understand a Tournament player easier. Happy Bank Rolling and keep the peace"
 
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Micro

What game type would you say is most profitable for micro stakes. Cash games like 2NL/5NL are very soft and therefore profitable fairly easily, but likewise tournaments are fairly easy to cash as there are a high proportion of poor players making chipping up easy.

Thoughts?
 
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I don't know if there are better or worse cash vs MTT players. Very different strategies is all and one may not appear reasonable to someone from the other camp.
 
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Early stages of a tournament play like cash, middle and end not so much. And tournament take more skill, must be will to lay it down where in cash players just put more $ on the table
 
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You can also lose your bankroll playing tournament just as easy as cash.
 
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