Cash Games Are Better Than Tournaments for Players With Brains

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If you are brainless heee haww player who needs single table intense action then tournaments are better for you.

If you have brain and IQ of around minimum 114 let's say, you will definitely be seeing the benefit of cash games.

In limited number of hands, with ever increasing stakes making it harder and harder to afford an increase in spending, you are up against variance and luck in a forced sense in tournaments.

In cash games being unlucky will not make you lose money overall if you are truly on a legit algorithm-dealing site playing 3 tables or so at once with full focus on the plays you are making etc. Your 'downswings' will be rare as they will be when the odds based on your psychological read of the other player and raw stats read of the cards led you to make a move that will most of the time profit you to a large degree.

Sure, you can play tricky and even a little loose if you truly want to make it clear you're not a bot and are ready to outplay the TAG nits which CG tables are full of, but never loose your head completely. The point of being looser than the average nitty shark is to make THEM lose their mind.

With tournaments you can never risk because there and then ti can all be over in that one unlucky hand at the end despite all the good moves and profit you made thus far i the tournament.
 
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Ive been playing poker for a year now and have had a reasonable amount of experience with both. While I started playing mostly cash games with varying degrees of success i found that big tournaments were a softer place to practise the fundamentals without risking too much bankroll.

After improving my game from hours of study and hand evaluation I'm going to give cash games the time and dedication the deserve.

Thanks for the post, very good read =)
 
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Rational Madman said:
If you are brainless heee haww player who needs single table intense action then tournaments are better for you.

If you have brain and IQ of around minimum 114 let's say, you will definitely be seeing the benefit of cash games.

In limited number of hands, with ever increasing stakes making it harder and harder to afford an increase in spending, you are up against variance and luck in a forced sense in tournaments.

In cash games being unlucky will not make you lose money overall if you are truly on a legit algorithm-dealing site playing 3 tables or so at once with full focus on the plays you are making etc. Your 'downswings' will be rare as they will be when the odds based on your psychological read of the other player and raw stats read of the cards led you to make a move that will most of the time profit you to a large degree.

Sure, you can play tricky and even a little loose if you truly want to make it clear you're not a bot and are ready to outplay the TAG nits which CG tables are full of, but never loose your head completely. The point of being looser than the average nitty shark is to make THEM lose their mind.

With tournaments you can never risk because there and then ti can all be over in that one unlucky hand at the end despite all the good moves and profit you made thus far i the tournament.
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I play tournaments always. In Cash tables
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I need study poker!
 
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Brain and bankroll. No money - no game, even with a good brain.
 
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maybe

Im not sure you are right
 
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Maybe small stakes cash. As you move up in stakes, you typically face better and better opponents which is definitely -EV. In tournaments, even with higher buy-ins, you often face soft fields, even if there are good players. As a good player, you should frequently cash in tournaments with reasonable structures, i.e. not turbos, and you also have the potential to make really big cashes with small investments. Making really big cashes in cash games requires higher stakes and often stronger opponents.
 
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Lol I am brainless now?? But you can risk in a tournament as well, bluffing applies in tournaments as well. The payouts in a tourney is and can be pretty huge, plus nothing says I went through X amount opponents and beat every single one.

Plus nothing wrong with being good at what you do. If you are good at either cash games, tournaments or both. Keep enjoying what you do especially if you are good at it. But to determine that either way is brainless is just not right
 
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I think good brain does not apply exactly to this, you can be a very intelligent person but have no clue about strategy, strategy and had an strategic mind is more important IMO
 
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I always liked saying: if you are so smart, why are you so poor?:)))
 
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This is just mindless nonsense, I stopped reading at IQ around minimum of 114. I like playing both tournaments and cash games. One isn't better or worse than the other. Even though you can be playing the exact same game changing the format changes the strategy of the game. As for the claim that you must be more intelligent to play cash is just silly and an IQ of 114 isn't that high.
 
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This is just mindless nonsense, I stopped reading at IQ around minimum of 114. I like playing both tournaments and cash games. One isn't better or worse than the other. Even though you can be playing the exact same game changing the format changes the strategy of the game. As for the claim that you must be more intelligent to play cash is just silly and an IQ of 114 isn't that high.
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Research the term minimum
 
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Research the term minimum
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I'm well aware of what minimum means. You implied that 114 is the threshold were you've reached the intelligence needed to realize that cash games are better. Meaning 114 is the low side of a high IQ.
 
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cleverly you managed to call all tournament players stupid !!! these thoughts say a lot about the level of your intellect))))
 
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Rational Madman said:
If you are brainless heee haww player who needs single table intense action then tournaments are better for you.

If you have brain and IQ of around minimum 114 let's say, you will definitely be seeing the benefit of cash games.

In limited number of hands, with ever increasing stakes making it harder and harder to afford an increase in spending, you are up against variance and luck in a forced sense in tournaments.

In cash games being unlucky will not make you lose money overall if you are truly on a legit algorithm-dealing site playing 3 tables or so at once with full focus on the plays you are making etc. Your 'downswings' will be rare as they will be when the odds based on your psychological read of the other player and raw stats read of the cards led you to make a move that will most of the time profit you to a large degree.

Sure, you can play tricky and even a little loose if you truly want to make it clear you're not a bot and are ready to outplay the TAG nits which CG tables are full of, but never loose your head completely. The point of being looser than the average nitty shark is to make THEM lose their mind.

With tournaments you can never risk because there and then ti can all be over in that one unlucky hand at the end despite all the good moves and profit you made thus far i the tournament.
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I want to agree with what you are saying, but my personal performance tells me otherwise. In respect to playing in live cash games, you are absolutely correct as the $1/$2 NL function similar to how the 0.01/0.02 micro cash run on poker stars. The major difference being, you can stack up a a grand or two over the course of a 10 hour session, if you play ABC poker at most casinos.

Online however, I think there is no talent of greater value in the poker world than being a skilled tournament player. When you truly have an edge on the tournament field, you feel like a wolf trapped in a cage full of chicken. You often accumulate a large stack early and frequently and easily ride it to at least cashing, and the 3 to 6 hours you play to get there end up making you a minimum 30% profit on buy ins you would have otherwise lost-and-won-back-lost-and-won-back, numerous times at a cash table only to end a session with a similar result (30% profit). The main difference between the two being that, in a tournament you have a shot at getting a 1000% to 5000% return on your money and all of those stressful factors you mentioned with antes, and blinds increasing actually give you an even greater edge and likelihood of getting a big payout if you can stay in the top tier of chip leaders.

Cash games should only be used to build and supplement a tournament buy in bankroll, no matter how skilled of a cash game player you are. The more skilled you are the higher the tournament stakes you are building bankroll up to enter.


I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT YOUR TAKE IS ON ZOOM POKER CASH. I HAVE FOUND SUCCESS JUST PLAYING ONE ZOOM TABLE AND WORKING UP THE BANKROLL THROUGH INCREASING THE STAKES AS I ACCUMULATE BUY INS.

I think I prefer zoom, because I know HUD users are less effective and I prefer not bothering with the HUD. What are your thoughts?
 
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ITs not about the brains, its the BRM, that is the main argument for me playing tournaments.
You see, the downswings in cash games may be merciless. Whereas for tournaments its not the case - you can lose only your buy-ins but thats it.

Well, you could always buy-into a new tournament, but in a reality tournaments are far safer for your BRM. So for this reason alone I prefer tournaments. I have notable experience in both - ca$h and tourneys.
 
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veryone has different tastes, I like tournaments, for example!
 
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I believe that tournaments require a much better player than cash games. I have to work at my tournament skills, while my cash skills come much more easily.
 
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Rational Madman said:
If you are brainless heee haww player who needs single table intense action then tournaments are better for you.

If you have brain and IQ of around minimum 114 let's say, you will definitely be seeing the benefit of cash games.

In limited number of hands, with ever increasing stakes making it harder and harder to afford an increase in spending, you are up against variance and luck in a forced sense in tournaments.

In cash games being unlucky will not make you lose money overall if you are truly on a legit algorithm-dealing site playing 3 tables or so at once with full focus on the plays you are making etc. Your 'downswings' will be rare as they will be when the odds based on your psychological read of the other player and raw stats read of the cards led you to make a move that will most of the time profit you to a large degree.

Sure, you can play tricky and even a little loose if you truly want to make it clear you're not a bot and are ready to outplay the TAG nits which CG tables are full of, but never loose your head completely. The point of being looser than the average nitty shark is to make THEM lose their mind.

With tournaments you can never risk because there and then ti can all be over in that one unlucky hand at the end despite all the good moves and profit you made thus far i the tournament.
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How did i miss this before now. We're still waiting down in the strategy forums for those cash games graphs that prove you can beat cash games. The only graphs we have so far is you losing at a steady rate playing sngs.
 
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I don't agree with you. I play cash games and plenty of tournaments. Tournaments require longer play periods to achieve same results. Your opinion is not shared here....
 
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Brainless or not to smart,and very unlucky
live yesterday have 400 behind pocket kk big stack about 1500 or more with AJ
Flop 2J5 I check he shove I call river A he wins.
Next hand
K5 of hearts I bought 300
Big stack and someone else big stack bets 40 I call is 3 player with me flop 255 big stack bets 100 other player calls I shove big stack folds other player calls with a 26 of diamond runner runner diamond he wins again with flush.
I must say I am very under that iQ to loose big money yesterday and also unlucky
Players won loose but I lost 1200 in just on luck always on the river card after a made hand and the 3rd play was str8 to a flush I also lost to the river card.
 
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Madman I missed you! :D
 
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certainly better for cash who plays, that includes the brain, and on the virtual you have nothing to lose so they are playing on luck, and suddenly you're lucky, the virtual will never learn to play well!!!
 
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I don't quite agree with your sentiment about tourney players. I know some 50% ROI tourney players who multitable.
 
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